Arishem vs Galactus (read description)

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Originally posted by Utrigita
Galactus powerlevel varies depending on how much he chooses to consume, that have been shown atleast three times that I can recall.

Do you remember what issues this was stated in? Because if that was the case, he'd do it right before a major universal/multiversal event. Yet he's never done so.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes, in an act of desperation he ate his worldship. That wasn't his first plan. He was attempting to devour the planet the fight was taking place on but the heroes were causing him too much trouble so he abandoned that idea and went right for his worldship. I don't recall stating that made him more powerful than if he had just eaten the planet.

If anyone has scans saying that, I'd appreciate seeing them.

Reed "I am the true omniscient being in all of Marvel" Richards refered to Taa 2 as the single greatest energy source in the universe during the original secret war...

So yeah, it absolutely would have made him far more powerful than normal if he had actually eaten it (Doom stole the power away right before Galactus started to feed on the enegies of his world ship)...

As pertains to the question posed by the OP, 1 planet is all he would need to consume to defeat Arishem; Galactus already out performed Arishem and other assembled Celestials against the Galactus Engine...

In my minds eye this recent showing cements Galactus as being beyond Arishem beyond a shadow of a doubt...

Inaddition...as we all know...CIS is the sole reason why anyone or anything less than 5 unbound CCU's even has a realistic chance of beating the Big-G; if CIS wasnt in the way, Galactus 1-shot kills any and every Celestial in existence (with the possible exception of Scathan) with the Ultimate Nullifier.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Reed "I am the true omniscient being in all of Marvel" Richards refered to Taa 2 as the single greatest energy source in the universe during the original secret war...

So yeah, it absolutely would have made him far more powerful than normal if he had actually eaten it (Doom stole the power away right before Galactus started to feed on the enegies of his world ship)...


But there's no proof of it. We also know that Galactus' energy draining capabilities when it comes to feasting on objects is FAR less efficient that when he uses his machines (stated on panel by Omniscient Reed). So who knows how much of that power that he was attempting to drain from TAA II would have gone to waste. Unless there is definitive on panel proof, I'm not buying it.

As pertains to the question posed by the OP, 1 planet is all he would need to consume to defeat Arishem; Galactus already out performed Arishem and other assembled Celestials against the Galactus Engine...

In my minds eye this recent showing cements Galactus as being beyond Arishem beyond a shadow of a doubt...

Inaddition...as we all know...CIS is the sole reason why anyone or anything less than 5 unbound CCU's even has a realistic chance of beating the Big-G; if CIS wasnt in the way, Galactus 1-shot kills any and every Celestial in existence (with the possible exception of Scathan) with the Ultimate Nullifier.


I'm still skeptical.

And regarding the UN, it was just recently shown on panel that one of those no named alt reality Celestials tanked a blast from it.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
if CIS wasnt in the way, Galactus 1-shot kills any and every Celestial in existence (with the possible exception of Scathan) with the Ultimate Nullifier.

WTF?

Originally posted by zopzop

But there's no proof of it. We also know that Galactus' energy draining capabilities when it comes to feasting on objects is FAR less efficient that when he uses his machines (stated on panel by Omniscient Reed). So who knows how much of that power that he was attempting to drain from TAA II would have gone to waste. Unless there is definitive on panel proof, I'm not buying it.

I'm still skeptical.

And regarding the UN, it was just recently shown on panel that one of those no named alt reality Celestials tanked a blast from it. [/B]

Tanked a blast from it due to the fact Grey Reed wasn't fully focused and it instead nullified him, not due to them being able to resist a weapon like that...

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Tanked a blast from it due to the fact Grey Reed wasn't fully focused and it instead nullified him, not due to them being able to resist a weapon like that...

I'm talking about the incident during the Council of Reeds arc. One Rogue got blasted by the UN, tanked it, then incinerated a Reed.

Originally posted by zopzop

And regarding the UN, it was just recently shown on panel that one of those no named alt reality Celestials tanked a blast from it. [/B]

scans by chance?

Originally posted by zopzop
Do you remember what issues this was stated in? Because if that was the case, he'd do it right before a major universal/multiversal event. Yet he's never done so.

Each writer have different ideas, and really we have no idea whether or not Galactus prepares himself for universal battles like against Thanos with IG and Thanos with HOTU.

It was shown in the Ecce the Watcher saga, where Galactus states that the Earth had more energy then he expected possible, which enabled Galactus to battle Ecce for thousands of years.

Same in the Tyrant incident, he states he hadn't feeded so well in ages.

Same in Secret Wars, where Reed states he is about to consume the perhaps single greatest energy source in the universe, because he needs all the energy he can get in order to fight the Beyonder.

So how much he feeds, what he feeds on have for a good portion of years been related to his powerlevel when feed. Same as when Galactus decided only to devour biological lifeforms during the Galactus mini series, Galactus lost energy at a extremely quick rate.

Originally posted by Damborgson
scans by chance?

Not sure but I think it was in FF 14, or one of those FF issues around there. Don't have a scanner though.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Not sure but I think it was in FF 14, or one of those FF issues around there. Don't have a scanner though.

Is this what you're referring to?

Originally posted by Doon
Is this what you're referring to?


I didn't even know that scan existed. I was referring to this :

In the scan previous to this (can't find it now), you can see the Reed that's getting his arm incinerated is wielding a UN.

arishem

Originally posted by Utrigita
Each writer have different ideas, and really we have no idea whether or not Galactus prepares himself for universal battles like against Thanos with IG and Thanos with HOTU.

True, but if he really does amp exponentially depending on how many worlds he's eaten, it would be stated on panel prior Hichman's nonsense. So far I've never seen it and there were an ample number of times where he'd need to resort to such extreme measures too. Yet he never did.

It was shown in the Ecce the Watcher saga, where Galactus states that the Earth had more energy then he expected possible, which enabled Galactus to battle Ecce for thousands of years.

That's not canon is it?

Same in the Tyrant incident, he states he hadn't feeded so well in ages.

That was still only one world though. He didn't consume multiple planets.

Same in Secret Wars, where Reed states he is about to consume the perhaps single greatest energy source in the universe, because he needs all the energy he can get in order to fight the Beyonder.

So how much he feeds, what he feeds on have for a good portion of years been related to his powerlevel when feed. Same as when Galactus decided only to devour biological lifeforms during the Galactus mini series, Galactus lost energy at a extremely quick rate.


Regarding the Secret Wars incident, it was also stated on panel by Reed that Galactus' energy intake when he feeds without his machines is MUCH less efficient than when he uses them. So we can assume that a lot of the energy he was attempting to devour from TAA II was being lost/wasted.

When did Galactus take down 5 cosmic cubes?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Not sure but I think it was in FF 14, or one of those FF issues around there. Don't have a scanner though.

thanks 👆

the council reeds didn't have the 616 UN.

Arishem hasn't faced anyone on Galactus' level one on one before. Everything else is implied power. Until proven otherwise, Galactus should prevail with 1 planet.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
the council reeds didn't have the 616 UN.

Arishem hasn't faced anyone on Galactus' level one on one before. Everything else is implied power. Until proven otherwise, Galactus should prevail with 1 planet.


Arishem laughed off the combined attack of three skyfathers (Odin, Zeus, Vishnu), one skyfather (Odin) was giving Galactus a hard time.

Arishem faced off vs Tiamut in a prolonged battle.

Originally posted by zopzop
Arishem laughed off the combined attack of three skyfathers (Odin, Zeus, Vishnu), one skyfather (Odin) was giving Galactus a hard time.

Arishem faced off vs Tiamut in a prolonged battle.

When was it that Arishem fought Tiamut btw? I know in the Eternals series from the other year Tiamut fought the entire Celestial host he was with (3rd maybe), but when was it him vs Arishem on their own?

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
When was it that Arishem fought Tiamut btw? I know in the Eternals series from the other year Tiamut fought the entire Celestial host he was with (3rd maybe), but when was it him vs Arishem on their own?

He fought Arishem one on one for a prolonged time causing massive geological damage on Earth as a result. It was only after Tiamut had Arishem dead to rights, that the rest of the Host jumped in and sucker attacked him.

Originally posted by zopzop

True, but if he really does amp exponentially depending on how many worlds he's eaten, it would be stated on panel prior Hichman's nonsense. So far I've never seen it and there were an ample number of times where he'd need to resort to such extreme measures too. Yet he never did.

That's not canon is it?

That was still only one world though. He didn't consume multiple planets.

Regarding the Secret Wars incident, it was also stated on panel by Reed that Galactus' energy intake when he feeds without his machines is MUCH less efficient than when he uses them. So we can assume that a lot of the energy he was attempting to devour from TAA II was being lost/wasted. [/B]

Don't you find it logical, that the more planets he devoures, the more energy he has at his disposal and the more powerful he becomes?

Was actually how the 616 reality was going to end until recently I believe. But I could be wrong.

No, but what I pointed out was that Galactus powerlevel when fed, varies depending on what he has eaten, so it stands to reason what Hickman has suggested.

I think we interpret the scene tbh. as I understand it Galactus uses the Elementary Converter in order to save energy he had otherwise needed to use in order to devour the planet. Also that is one writers take on it, in atleast 3 incidents Galactus have feasted fine on planets without using his tech without it being hinted or shown that Galactus would obtain less energy.