Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
When was it that Arishem fought Tiamut btw? I know in the Eternals series from the other year Tiamut fought the entire Celestial host he was with (3rd maybe), but when was it him vs Arishem on their own?
Tiamut jumped Arishem when Arishem interfered with Tiamuts contact with the Fulcrum, the rest of the host afterwards attacked Tiamut, and in a battle that shaped the Earths geography defeated him.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The UN's energies were clearly depicted hitting the Celestial , before Reed lost his focus :
Yeah, but the nullifier doesn't workiproperly unless you're completely focused, which Reed wasn't thus it didn't work properly. P. sure the nullifier firing but then disintegrating the user isn't a sign a Celestial could tank a fully functional UN blast. I mean, seeing as the UN literally wiped out and rebuilt the universe and everything in it...
The same kinda thing happened with Quasar in Infinity War, he fired the UN but it didn't work in the right way because he wasn't entirely focused on the task at hand.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He never did . Magus w/ 5 CCUs wasn't really trying to kill him anyways .
Yea, 5 cosmic cubes should be more than enough to defeat anyone, other than the likes of the LT or someone on that level.
Hell, in a 616 future one cube dominated every Celestial left in existence...
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Yeah, but the nullifier doesn't workin properly unless you're completely focused, which Reed wasn't thus it didn't work properly. P. sure the nullifier firing but then disintegrating the user isn't a sign a Celestial could tank a fully functional UN blast. I mean, seeing as the UN literally wiped out and rebuilt the universe and everything in it...The same kinda thing happened with Quasar in Infinity War, he fired the UN but it didn't work in the right way because he wasn't entirely focused on the task at hand.
IIRC , Quasar's UN was redirected on him by Magus w/ incomplete IG .
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Yea, 5 cosmic cubes should be more than enough to defeat anyone, other than the likes of the LT or someone on that level.Hell, in a 616 future one cube dominated every Celestial left in existence...
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Yeah, but the nullifier doesn't workiproperly unless you're completely focused, which Reed wasn't thus it didn't work properly. P. sure the nullifier firing but then disintegrating the user isn't a sign a Celestial could tank a fully functional UN blast. I mean, seeing as the UN literally wiped out and rebuilt the universe and everything in it...The same kinda thing happened with Quasar in Infinity War, he fired the UN but it didn't work in the right way because he wasn't entirely focused on the task at hand.
Galactus did fire it off one time without being nullified though.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The Nullifier's energies were clearly depicted as hitting the Celestial before Reed lost control .
I don't understand what there is to debate here . This UN failed to affect the Celestial it was targeted against . The Reed who was using it only started losing his focus AFTER the blast was already shown hitting the Celestial .IIRC , Quasar's UN was redirected on him by Magus w/ incomplete IG .
Eh, I took it to be that he was never completely focused, as the panel where he's sweating and saying "focus" is just a zoom up of his face printed onto the larger panel...
Idk, it just seems like it would be the nullifier not working properly, as later Galactus blew a hole in that Celestial with some eyebeams, and in general a UN blast > Galactus'.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Eh, I took it to be that he was never completely focused, as the panel where he's sweating and saying "focus" is just a zoom up of his face printed onto the larger panel...Idk, it just seems like it would be the nullifier not working properly, as later Galactus blew a hole in that Celestial with some eyebeams, and in general a UN blast > Galactus'.
The UN may as well have been nerfed , seeing how even an alternate UN was capable of killing a high end Abstract of its universe . /shrug
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Yeah, but the nullifier doesn't workiproperly unless you're completely focused, which Reed wasn't thus it didn't work properly. P. sure the nullifier firing but then disintegrating the user isn't a sign a Celestial could tank a fully functional UN blast. I mean, seeing as the UN literally wiped out and rebuilt the universe and everything in it...The same kinda thing happened with Quasar in Infinity War, he fired the UN but it didn't work in the right way because he wasn't entirely focused on the task at hand.
Agreed. Even though the alternate Reed was successful in hitting the Celestial, the blast had little to no effect due to his apparent lack of focus. At least that's the way I saw it.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Each writer have different ideas, and really we have no idea whether or not Galactus prepares himself for universal battles like against Thanos with IG and Thanos with HOTU.It was shown in the Ecce the Watcher saga, where Galactus states that the Earth had more energy then he expected possible, which enabled Galactus to battle Ecce for thousands of years.
Same in the Tyrant incident, he states he hadn't feeded so well in ages.
Same in Secret Wars, where Reed states he is about to consume the perhaps single greatest energy source in the universe, because he needs all the energy he can get in order to fight the Beyonder.
So how much he feeds, what he feeds on have for a good portion of years been related to his powerlevel when feed. Same as when Galactus decided only to devour biological lifeforms during the Galactus mini series, Galactus lost energy at a extremely quick rate.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Tiamut jumped Arishem when Arishem interfered with Tiamuts contact with the Fulcrum, the rest of the host afterwards attacked Tiamut, and in a battle that shaped the Earths geography defeated him.
always good to see u post 🙂
arishem was jealous of tiamut and the host attacked and could only contain the greatest celestial
Originally posted by The Merchant
When did Galactus take down 5 cosmic cubes?
Galactus didnt take down 5 CCU's...
My statement that a CIS'less (Ultimate Nullifier weilding) Galactus could be beaten by nothing less than 5 unbound CCU's is based on the Infinity War where the Magus used 5 CCU's to prevent the UN from firing...
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Tanked a blast from it due to the fact Grey Reed wasn't fully focused and it instead nullified him, not due to them being able to resist a weapon like that...
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That was my interpretation of it as well...
Its either that or the Celestial tanking the attack was PIS since the UN is powerful enough to destroy a universe and everything in it (and has done so on panel)...
With this in mind (sans PIS) I content that no Celestial in existence with the possibly exception of Scathan can withstand a full on attack from the UN where the weilder is focused and weilding it properly...
And since the UN is an extention of Galactus himself, I have no doubt that he could weild it to utterly and completely destroy Arishem in 1 shot if he so desired...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
👆That was my interpretation of it as well...
Its either that or the Celestial tanking the attack was PIS since the UN is powerful enough to destroy a universe and everything in it (and has done so on panel)...
With this in mind (sans PIS) I content that no Celestial in existence with the possibly exception of Scathan can withstand a full on attack from the UN where the weilder is focused and weilding it properly...
And since the UN is an extention of Galactus himself, I have no doubt that he could weild it to utterly and completely destroy Arishem in 1 shot if he so desired...
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Well , it was an alternate UN that was fired n both scenarios . Hickman didn't clarify a recent query regarding alternate IGs and UNs in comparison to their 616 counterparts , so I think room for interpretation of them being weaker still exists .
Well, the person who asked him the question only wanted to know if "ultimate nullifiers and IGs from other universes have the same power as 616 ones". It was a generalized question.
Hickman responded that he would "assume both consistency and variations."
What he means by that is it could go either way. The power of nullifers and IGs in some universes will be consistent with 616. Other universes, however, will offer variation, that is, less or more powerful versions of IGs and nullifiers. At least that's how I took it.
That said, yes, there is still room for interpretation of them being weaker.
