Originally posted by MerlynNo.
@that power level guide.everything seems pretty accurate except 2nd form frieza. i thought his power capped at a million?
In the manga Frieza states that the PL of his second form is "OVER 1,000,000":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14167358/DB296-09.jpg.html
Frieza says the exact same thing in the show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfND149TlbA
(15:08)
Clearly his second form wasn't capped at one million-- hence the guide's 1,200,000 rating.
Originally posted by Galan007
Usually this one:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14167142/All_Characters.jpg.html
It's a nice guide to reference because it actually gives a few PLs beyond the Frieza saga(which are hard to come by.) I've never had a reason to doubt it's validity.
Wow, Yakon's (? The light-eater guy) is surprising high.
And way to block Gotenk's power, whoever-put-that-up!
Originally posted by Q99Lulz, I said the same thing.
And way to block Gotenk's power, whoever-put-that-up!
His PL is no less than 4 billion, though... That much I can make out.
Originally posted by AuraAngelPer Babidi's equipment, Yakon's power registered at 800 kilis, and SSJ Goku's power registered at 3,000 kilis. I have no clue wtf a kili is, though.
Yakone is so strong that I actually can't accept it lol. If I recall right, Babidi had some weird powerscale that he judged people with and Goku was like like a 100 times more powerful.But I'm probably recalling wrong.
Originally posted by Galan007
Per Babidi's equipment, Yakon's power registered at 800 kilis, and SSJ Goku's power registered at 3,000 kilis. I have no clue wtf a kili is, though.
Huh, if a killi is 1 million power level, then that'd oddly fit.
As full-power SSJ1 Goku was 3 billion, and Dabura said it'd take more than 4,000 killis to defeat him and he was around Cell's level and Cell was 4 billion.
^Think its a 4.6 billion for Gotenks?
Cool, didn't know a new one came out. Be nice if it was validated though. Though by that Goku's strength didn't improve from the Cell saga to Buu, SS3's 24bil is the same multiplier (8x) as SS1 that fought Cell. I find that to be very odd..
Also puts a weird perspective on the 1.4 billion another scan gave Broly.
Originally posted by Q99This is true.
Huh, if a killi is 1 million power level, then that'd oddly fit.As full-power SSJ1 Goku was 3 billion, and Dabura said it'd take more than 4,000 killis to defeat him and he was around Cell's level and Cell was 4 billion.
Originally posted by BloodRain👆
^Think its a 4.6 billion for Gotenks?
Originally posted by BloodRainThe 3,000kilis reading was taken right after Goku transformed into a SSJ-- he hadn't started powering up at that point. If another reading would have been taken as he powered up to overload Yakon, the kili reading would have been well above 3,000 me thinks.
Cool, didn't know a new one came out. Be nice if it was validated though. Though by that Goku's strength didn't improve from the Cell saga to Buu, SS3's 24bil is the same multiplier (8x) as SS1 that fought Cell. I find that to be very odd.
I don't see the problem with Goku's power increasing 8x over the course of 7 years and 2 transformations. /shrug
Originally posted by BloodRainThose power scales were WAY off, imo. They only gave Gogeta(Vegito's equal, and the most powerful entity ever seen in DBZ proper) a PL of 2.5 billion. 👇
Also puts a weird perspective on the 1.4 billion another scan gave Broly.
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Sidenote: I'm very surprised more people haven't seen the PL chart I posted.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
^ Same scan gave Gogeta a 2.5 Billion power level, and yet he's far more powerful than SSJ3 Goku.Also, I read somewhere that SSJ3 is essential 8x SSJ1, or 4x SSJ2.
Originally posted by Galan007
Those power scales were WAY off, imo. They only gave Gogeta(Vegito's equal, and the most powerful entity ever seen in DBZ proper) a PL of 2.5 billion. 👇
Hence the 8x in my post! And that SS3 Goku = SS1 Gotenks.
Hmmm non-canon works on its own magic space gravy I guess /shrugs/
Originally posted by Galan007
The 3,000kilis reading was taken right after Goku transformed into a SSJ-- he hadn't started powering up at that point. If another reading would have been taken as he powered up to overload Yakon, the kili reading would have been well above 3,000 me thinks.I don't see the problem with Goku's power increasing 8x over the course of 7 years and 2 transformations. /shrug
Oh, I was talking about the power on the chart, not the kilis. Though you guys brought up a good point in how they match up.
The problem that SS2 is 2x SS1 and SS3 is 4x SS2.
Buu saga SS3 is at 24bil. In this saga Goku at SS2 would be 6bil and as a SS1 he'd be 3bil. That means his SS1 state in the Buu saga is at the exact same level as it was 7 years ago against Cell, 3bil.
Originally posted by BloodRainTbh, I don't know where these figures are even coming from, as I've never seen that stated(it may have been, I've just never seen it.) What we've logically deduced based on our 'control'(ie. Yakon) is that 1 kili = a scouter reading of 1,000,000.
The problem that SS2 is 2x SS1 and SS3 is 4x SS2.
In a rested(key word) SSJ state, Goku produced 3,000 kilis, which gives him a PL of 3 billion. Again, that was before he'd even started powering up as a SSJ. Therefore, capping his SSJ PL at 3 billion is a bit faulty, considering it would've logically been a hefty margin above that, when at max power.
Originally posted by Galan007
Based on?
What? Based on Goku, Gotenks, Piccolo, and Boo himself...
Goku and Piccolo were impressed with his original SSJ form. ENough to fight Boo. There's an argument BASE Gotenks post ROSAT >> SSJ3 Goku
Boo already said Goku is not on the level of Gotenks or Mystic Gohan either. And I forgot that Goku basically told everyone in the world Gotenks would surpass him.
Originally posted by carver9I don't remember him stating such, but that'd equate to a PL of 100,000,000-- which is vastly more than what is required to destroy a planet.
Didn't Babidi also state that 100 killi was enough to destroy a single planet?
Originally posted by BasedNever heard that argument, but frankly, it makes no sense at all. I agree that SSJ3 Gotenks was more powerful than SSJ3 Goku. Base form Gotenks, though? No way in hell.
There's an argument BASE Gotenks post ROSAT >> SSJ3 Goku
Originally posted by carver9I don't remember Buu outright stating this. I do agree that Gotenks and Gohan were superior to Goku, though.
Boo already said Goku is not on the level of Gotenks or Mystic Gohan either.
Mystic Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku.
Yakon is a good control. Based on the guide I posted, his PL was 800,000,000. Per manga Babidi, his kili rating was 800. Thus, 1 kili=1,000,000PL.
Goku's rested SSJ PL was 3,000 kilis; or a PL of 3,000,000,000. Seems logical considering the same guide gives his SSJ3 form a PL of 24,000,000,000 (8x greater than his rested SSJ state.) /shrug
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Didn't he go all out on Kidbuu? Was a while ago, don't remember if he held back there or not.
I don't think he did. It's kind of impossible for a DBZ character to go "all out". It depends on the area the fight took place. That's why I always believed it was stupid that Akira didnt let characters with this type of power level fly in space.
