Originally posted by FrothByteI don't remember him ever using it in a fight.
Everyone seems to be forgetting that Cullen is also telepathic. He may not have The One's martial arts abilities, but being able to see what Law plans on doing will allow him to simply duck and dodge around Yu Law's attacks.
Yu Law's fighting speed seemed to be above Edward's as well, so I don't think it would keep him from getting punched in the face.
Originally posted by Mindset
I don't remember him ever using it in a fight.Yu Law's fighting speed seemed to be above Edward's as well, so I don't think it would keep him from getting punched in the face.
When he was sparring with the other Cullens, it's mentioned there that he's one of the hardest Cullen's to beat because of his telepathy.
As for his speed, we see him speed up and slow down whenever he fights in much the same way that Yu Law does. Yu Law only seems more impressive since he's fighting normal men who can't keep up with him whereas Edward fights other vamps and werewolves with speed and strength comparable to his.
I'd also like to mention that out of all the Cullen clan, Edward is considered the fastest. Not the strongest or best fighter, but the fastest. He is also strong enough to uproot trees and crush rock with his bare hands.
Another thing to consider is is that the vamps in Meyer's movies all have skin harder than granite, whereas Yu Law's skin is, well, still human skin. Yu Law may have become stronger and faster, but I don't recall him getting tougher skin or anatomy, like a knife can still go through him.
Which means it will be easier for Edward to hurt Yu Law than the other way around. There's also the fact that Edward doesn't need to breathe which can come in handy if they ever get into a strangling match or can come in handy when you get hit in the gut.
Originally posted by FrothByteIt was mentioned in the movies? I don't remember that, only that one chick being hard to beat because of her precog.
When he was sparring with the other Cullens, it's mentioned there that he's one of the hardest Cullen's to beat because of his telepathy.As for his speed, we see him speed up and slow down whenever he fights in much the same way that Yu Law does. Yu Law only seems more impressive since he's fighting normal men who can't keep up with him whereas Edward fights other vamps and werewolves with speed and strength nearly equal his.
I'd also like to mention that out of all the Cullen clan, Edward is considered the fastest. Not the strongest or best fighter, but the fastest. He is also strong enough to uproot trees and crush rock with his bare hands.
Another thing to consider is is that the vamps in Meyer's movies all have skin harder than granite, whereas Yu Law's skin is, well, still human skin. Yu Law may have become stronger and faster, but I don't recall him being bulletproof or knife proof.
We never see him move as fast as Yu Law when he fights. E.g. easily dodging automatic fire, etc.
He has the fastest travel speed.
Edit: I just watched the sparring clip, they don't say anything about his telepathy.
We know the vamps are fast, but we don't have any real way to gauge their speed. Yu Law was outrunning cars, and not only dodged a pistol shot to the head from close range while only being able to move his head(his arms had motorcycles in them), but he was fast enough to crouch down, and pick up a 200+lb man, then lift him up into the path of auto rifle fire.
Originally posted by Mindset
It was mentioned in the movies? I don't remember that, only that one chick being hard to beat because of her precog.We never see him move as fast as Yu Law when he fights. E.g. easily dodging automatic fire, etc.
He has the fastest travel speed.
Edit: I just watched the sparring clip, they don't say anything about his telepathy.
Again I repeat, the reason you don't seem to see Edward move fast in his fights is because he fights others as fast as he is. Look at Yu Law's fight with himself in the end of The One. You don't see them use their super speed. In fact, the vamp fights in the Twilight movies have way more speed feats than that final fight between two Jet Li's.
Edward has shown his super speed when he runs, and the fact that he's able to NOT hit any trees and branches when he runs should be enough proof of his response time.
Ofcourse you won't see him dodge bullets, he doesn't fight anyone that uses guns on him because, AND I REPEAT, he only fights others who are nearly as fast and as strong as he is.
If the telepathy bit wasn't mentioned in the movies, then I apologize. Maybe I'm confusing the movies with the books. In the books it's clearly stated that he's very hard to beat and the only Cullens who have a good chance at beating him are the girl with the precog and the other one with the scars on the arms .
I'm not saying that this fight is a clear win for Edward, I just don't see why you people are dissing him so fully. The only real advantage Yu Law has over him is fighting skills. They both have super strenght and super speed. But Edward also has telepathy and a tougher body.
I get it, I don't like Edward either, but his superhero-like abilities are nothing to take lightly.
Yu Law and Gabe didn't show any speed because they were equal. They were the only 2 Law's left, so they each had roughly 50% of Law's power, ergo a fight between them would seem like a normal fight. The vamps don't always fight at Superspeed either. But we can judge that Yu Law is fast enough to dodge automatic fire, while Edward is just fast.
Originally posted by FrothByteThey had equal speed, so it would look like a regular fight...
Again I repeat, the reason you don't seem to see Edward move fast in his fights is because he fights others as fast as he is. Look at Yu Law's fight with himself in the end of The One. You don't see them use their super speed. In fact, the vamp fights in the Twilight movies have way more speed feats than that final fight between two Jet Li's.Edward has shown his super speed when he runs, and the fact that he's able to NOT hit any trees and branches when he runs should be enough proof of his response time.
Ofcourse you won't see him dodge bullets, he doesn't fight anyone that uses guns on him because, AND I REPEAT, he only fights others who are nearly as fast and as strong as he is.
If the telepathy bit wasn't mentioned in the movies, then I apologize. Maybe I'm confusing the movies with the books. In the books it's clearly stated that he's very hard to beat and the only Cullens who have a good chance at beating him are the girl with the precog and the other one with the scars on the arms .
I'm not saying that this fight is a clear win for Edward, I just don't see why you people are dissing him so fully. The only real advantage Yu Law has over him is fighting skills. They both have super strenght and super speed. But Edward also has telepathy and a tougher body.
I get it, I don't like Edward either, but his superhero-like abilities are nothing to take lightly.
Usain Bolt can run around and not hit stuff, he isn't a faster fighter than prime Roy Jones Jr. Same with Edward and Yu Law. Yu Law has better quantifiable displays of speed while fighting.
Telepathy wasn't mentioned, apology accepted.
His telepathy won't help him, as it has never shown to help him in a fight. If, assuming, speed and strength are near equal, Yu Law's much better h2h combat skills give him the win. They both have superhuman durability to blunt force trauma.
It's hard to tell who is faster because the special effects are different.
I might be wrong, but I believe:
In The One, everyone else (apart from Li) slows down - that is, shown from Li's perspective.
In Twilight, The vampires move with blurring speed (sometimes even during slow-motion) - that is shown from a human observer's perspective.
If I had to guess, I'd probably slightly lean towards Edward for speed.
Originally posted by Mindset
Aside from travel speed, I don't recall anything Edward did that puts him on Law's level.
Like I said, they are hard to compare, so saying who isn't on who's level is subjective.
But if you concede Edward can travel much faster than Yu Law, then Edward would win in such a scenario. Your Usain Bolt analogy wouldn't hold - I'll explain why if indeed this is your position.
Originally posted by Mindset
Explain.
Ok, let me quote your analogy.
Usain Bolt can run around and not hit stuff, he isn't a faster fighter than prime Roy Jones Jr. Same with Edward and Yu Law. Yu Law has better quantifiable displays of speed while fighting.
Now Usain Bolt is a faster runner than Roy. But he isn't a faster fighter than Roy (who is not as fast a runner).
This is your counter to the typical argument that a fast runner should also be a fast fighter, because he can move his limbs quickly. But he isn't as quick as Roy maybe because his arms aren't as fast (or whatever reason). Remember he is not as fast, but he would still be able to hit/touch Roy (if Bolt didn't get KO'ed).
The problem with your analogy is that in a relative comparison, Bolt is not that much faster than Roy in the first place. Let's say Usain can run 9 seconds. I can run in the low 12 seconds, and that's pretty slow. In terms of percentage, Usain is not that much faster than me. However, if say he could do it in 1 second, he would be multiple times faster than me. Also, in this case his limb speed would be so significant, that he WOULD be much faster than Roy even in terms of fighting speed.
The same applies to Edward and Yu Law. Now if you believe Edward is only a little (in terms of %) faster than Yu Law, then sure, Yu Law may still potentially (not a given) be a faster fighter. But if you do concede that Edward is a much faster traveler (and his perception proportionally), then Law has no chance.
Originally posted by Mindset
They had equal speed, so it would look like a regular fight...Usain Bolt can run around and not hit stuff, he isn't a faster fighter than prime Roy Jones Jr. Same with Edward and Yu Law. Yu Law has better quantifiable displays of speed while fighting.
Telepathy wasn't mentioned, apology accepted.
His telepathy won't help him, as it has never shown to help him in a fight. If, assuming, speed and strength are near equal, Yu Law's much better h2h combat skills give him the win. They both have superhuman durability to blunt force trauma.
Well, Usain Bolt generally runs in a track where there aren't any obstacles. If he was able to run full speed in a densely packed forest without hitting himself on twigs and branches, then that's something else.
I do however respect your argument that all things being equal, you believe Yu Law's fighting ability will give him the edge. It's basically the same reasoning I use where all things being equal, I believe telepathy gives Edward a slight edge.
Originally posted by PlacidityUsain is probably close to twice as fast as Roy running 100 meters. (At their top speeds)
Ok, let me quote your analogy.Now Usain Bolt is a faster runner than Roy. But he isn't a faster fighter than Roy (who is not as fast a runner).
This is your counter to the typical argument that a fast runner should also be a fast fighter, because he can move his limbs quickly. But he isn't as quick as Roy maybe because his arms aren't as fast (or whatever reason). Remember he is not as fast, but he would still be able to hit/touch Roy (if Bolt didn't get KO'ed).
The problem with your analogy is that in a relative comparison, Bolt is not that much faster than Roy in the first place. Let's say Usain can run 9 seconds. I can run in the low 12 seconds, and that's pretty slow. In terms of percentage, Usain is not that much faster than me. However, if say he could do it in 1 second, he would be multiple times faster than me. Also, in this case his limb speed would be so significant, that he WOULD be much faster than Roy even in terms of fighting speed.
The same applies to Edward and Yu Law. Now if you believe Edward is only a little (in terms of %) faster than Yu Law, then sure, Yu Law may still [b]potentially
(not a given) be a faster fighter. But if you do concede that Edward is a much faster traveler (and his perception proportionally), then Law has no chance. [/B]
The problem you see in my analogy is that you undersell the speed significance the two share.
Originally posted by FrothByteExcept Edward has never used telepathy in his fights. 😬
Well, Usain Bolt generally runs in a track where there aren't any obstacles. If he was able to run full speed in a densely packed forest without hitting himself on twigs and branches, then that's something else.I do however respect your argument that all things being equal, you believe Yu Law's fighting ability will give him the edge. It's basically the same reasoning I use where all things being equal, I believe telepathy gives Edward a slight edge.