Dragons: WoW vs GW2.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
The last time the elder dragons were awake was 11,000 years in the past, and the best efforts of five powerful races could do nothing but flee and hide until the dragons slept again. One race magically fled Tyria, and the rest had to be hidden by Kralkatorrik's traitorous minion.

We don't know that they actually can be put down, even through cooperative continent-wide efforts.

Continent-wide efforts by the mortal races would have been a laugh to Deathwing if it weren't for the other Aspects and the Demon Soul(one of the most powerful artifacts in Warcraft history).

Also, the whole alternate future thing is not a guess -- we get to see it in End Time.

And yet, Deathwing can still be felled in direct combat with a small group of determined mortals.

No, he was felled by Thrall using the Demon Soul.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
And yet, Deathwing can still be felled in direct combat with a small group of determined mortals.

That's how these things go. A guy can go and solo Illidan, The Lich King, Archimonde, etc. nowadays. At any rate, the player characters only contributed to the fight.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
And yet, Deathwing can still be felled in direct combat with a small group of determined mortals.

Dragon Aspects for the win.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Deathwing destroyed a planet just by beating his wings. 😬

No.

I have read all of the Warcraft books this summer, so no.

I do not know anything about these Guild Wars 2 dragons, but I can tell you in confidence that the Warcraft ones are being blown out of proportion. I looked through the threads and I agree with a lot that is mentioned around them, but we have next to never seen them go all out on any one situation.

Malygos sought to erase the Dragon Soul from existence and proved to have the means of doing so with a ray of "erase". Deathwing however proved to have the magical means of repelling this, which means that even their most powerful magic is not infallible.

There are several complications in including these Warcraft dragons in a fight. Much comes down to personality. Deathwing is a show-off, Malygos is an arrogant prick, Nozdormu would barely lift a claw to help his dying bretheren, Ysera would sleep through most of it and Alexstrasza would try to negotiate with them.

Nozdormu, arguably, is the most powerful character in this thread, and he doesn't care about winning. For as long as none of the participants threaten the stability of spacetime, he will just shrug it off.

But let's say that their personalities are distorted for a moment:

- Nozdormu should be excluded from the thread. He has shown so extensive power of time that he has duplicated himself by borrowing his presence from alternate timelines, he has reversed time for his benefit, has proven capable of erasing someone (literally) from existence. They or their deeds will never have existed. How I'll translate another point into a versus, I'm not sure, but he's shown able to grip spacetime as if it was a solid thing, as when the Old Gods threatened to undo it all with their failed magics, he had to physically hold it all together while Korialstrasz and Rhonin solved the problem.

Exclude him from the battle, and it might be a fair fight. Bar Malygos, none of the others have really impressed me in terms of battle.

- Deathwing is clumsy, something more than one opponent has abused. He holds some dangerous magic, and is highly resilient against the same, but he failed to kill Malygos even with the Dragon Soul, and there was no indication that he didn't want to. Every other dragon was eliminated in the blast.

When the Cataclysm came, it was because Deathwing was in agony. There is no showing that he could replicate that activity, should he want to. He was in great pain, and upon screaming and squirming, sent tidalwaves across Azeroth, shook mountains and erupted volcanos. He isn't the first character to display increased power when not being consciously magically active. Medivh, Darion Mograine and Anveena are examples of this. None has shown the ability consciously replicate their most powerful feats.

- Malygos, excluding Nozdormu, can probably do the most damage in this fight. Deathwing is mostly resilient and beats the other aspects with average destructive powers to their softer durability. Alextrasza alone beat Deathwing at one point, and she is the weakest in the lot.

I could go on, but I am getting lazy. Having read the books, though, all of them, I can tell you that if you have any questions regarding the dragons, I should very well be able to answer them. If not with yes or no, then by letting you know that there is no legitimate way of knowing this or that.

Sadly, as I know nothing at all about the enemies, I can not give you a proper opinion on who I think wins, but seeing as you might need a little information on the Warcraft dragons, I offer my services.

Originally posted by ares834
He is preparing to unleash his final cataclysm when the players battle him. The only reason it doesn't go off is because he is killed before he can unleash it.

Originally posted by Peach
So in other words no one actually knows for sure what would have happened, and it's all just a guess.

Three points in the name of justice:

1. We do not know how the final cataclysm would happen, even when we know that it did. For all we know, it could have taken years for it to come to the point we saw in the future.

2. Deathwing was dead in the same future vision. For all we know, the action killed him. It is no secret that Deathwing was nothing short of a walking corpse, because of his insides having turned into molten lava.

3. Nozdormu knows. Sadly, that does not help us much 😛

Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
No.

I have read all of the Warcraft books this summer, so no.

Which page, in what book? I have them all here.

In fact, just tell me the book and I can mention every activity Deathwing has had in it right now.

Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
Much comes down to personality. Deathwing is a show-off, Malygos is an arrogant prick, Nozdormu would barely lift a claw to help his dying bretheren, Ysera would sleep through most of it and Alexstrasza would try to negotiate with them.

While this is partially true, the Dragon Aspects can also be quite ruthless as demonstrated when they attacked Deathwing after having gotten the majority of their power back as a result of the destruction of the Demon soul.

They had a very good reason, then. And it was mostly Alextrasza whose emotions ran wild. They have nothing against these dragons, not personally or otherwise.

Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
They had a very good reason, then. And it was mostly Alextrasza whose emotions ran wild. They have nothing against these dragons, not personally or otherwise.

And that matters why? This is a vs thread, it's assumed that both parties will fight to the best of their abilities. Same in the comic vs thread, even if the character is known not to fight in the comics it is still to be assumed that the Character will fight in the matchup. That is why the incident with the dragon aspects fight against Deathwing is more telling for the way they will address this fight (since it is a battle) then say their ordinary mindset when going about their daily business laughning at mortals. Same with say Sargeras vs Rhonin, Rhonin wouldn't even register on Sargeras radar but we still assume that they both will fight the other opponent to the best of their abilities.

Do you fight the same in a bar fight as you would if finding out someone has abused your children? Because that is the difference here. Alexstrasza had been forced to watch her children being abused for her entire time in captivity and was not just a little bit angry, while this fight here is "a wild elder dragon appears".

I'm not saying they wouldn't fight. I'm just saying there's a difference between vengeance and a random brawn.

Originally posted by Pinkie Pie
Do you fight the same in a bar fight as you would if finding out someone has abused your children? Because that is the difference here. Alexstrasza had been forced to watch her children being abused for her entire time in captivity and was not just a little bit angry, while this fight here is "a wild elder dragon appears".

I'm not saying they wouldn't fight. I'm just saying there's a difference between vengeance and a random brawn.

Cool, I was under the impression that you with your previous post describing the Dragons individual mindsets was arguing that the Dragon Aspects wouldn't even engage the GW2 dragons in a fight because of they way they are.

That isn't what she said at all, *****.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Cool, I was under the impression that you with your previous post describing the Dragons individual mindsets was arguing that the Dragon Aspects wouldn't even engage the GW2 dragons in a fight because of they way they are.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That isn't what she said at all, *****.

Yes it was, come at me bro!

WoW dragons win.

Good necro, good necro.