lol at the notion that it's inconceivable for BRB to lose to someone who's primary means of offense is largely energy based
also lol at the people who think Atrocitus spits actual liquid. It's not a liquid, folks, it's a form of lantern energy/magic that takes the appearance of a liquid (it can form constructs, but only two people have formed constructs IIRC -- Guy and Rankorr). Again: not a liquid, and certainly not actual blood -- just energy that has a liquid appearance and has been described as burning like plasma
I don't think the issue is Bill absorbing/redirecting energy, but whether or not he could - or would - do the same to Atrocitus' red rage power, which isn't quite like typical cosmic energy, but rather a blend of that and mysticism.
On the other hand, given that Stormbreaker is a mystically enchanted weapon equal to Mjolnir, I don't think it's all that implausible Bill could do such a thing.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't think the issue is Bill absorbing/redirecting energy, but whether or not he could - or would - do the same to Atrocitus' red rage power, which isn't quite like typical cosmic energy, but rather a blend of that and mysticism.On the other hand, given that Stormbreaker is a mystically enchanted weapon equal to Mjolnir, I don't think it's all that implausible Bill could do such a thing.
Good point, but has anyone MANIPULATED Atrocitus's attacks before? Just wondering.
Originally posted by Golgo13I have. There has been nothing in the books that shows any reason why A's power is beyond Bill.
I remember the Stardust battle, but it's not proof he can absorb the same type of attack atroc gives off. He can block it to a degree and even channel it right back, but absorb it? Nah.Anyone who hasn't read Red Lanterns needs to do so, before forming an opinion.
But, there is evidence of magic-based and energy-based attacks being manipulated, redirected and/or shattered by Stormbreaker's enchantments.
If the evidence is placed on a scale, there is far more evidence supporting the BRB argument, than there is to support the idea that Atrocitus' power is untouchable.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Well you think too narrow and you already dismissed the possibility of the energy getting absorbed attack just because it's muddled with wtf liquid.Means exactly what i said, it still contains red lantern energy which should be possible to be absorbed. Now as for it's possibility to affect the liquid containing that, like i said, agree to disagree.
You need proof, though.
Originally posted by Golgo13
I think Atrocitus's power would eat right through Beta's shields to be honest. Merging with one of the female inversions puts him high herald for sure.
Lol what? I find it kind of funny that you ask for extremely specific examples and then throw out a statement like that. Based on what would Atrocitus' power eat through Stormbreaker's defenses? Few things have a track record as stellar as Mjolnir/Stormbreaker defensively, I can't recall them ever being breached, even when facing powers so far beyond Atrocitus.
It's far more likely that Stormbreaker would f*ck up Red Lantern energy then the energy being able to easily tear through Bill's defenses. It being Red Plasma in no way makes it unique or even exotic compared to what those hammers have mucked with.
I honestly don't understand why it would prove to be any more difficult than Firelord's Power Cosmic, Godly Energy, the Phoenix Force, souls etc. It having an elemental aspect to it in the form of liquid really wouldn't bother an Odin enchanted weapon at all. Red Plasma, meh worthy, Mjolnir has contained ultimate nullification before.
Sorry, that's not going to cut it. Breaching dimensional barriers is weaksauce compared to what Odin enchanted weapons have resisted defensively.
For the record, Thor replicated that shit with a poke and in another instance with a hammer blow. None of that is getting through Stormbreaker's defenses easily or at all. Not to mention all other forces it's worked against that shit on Atrocitus in raw power.
Bill has never used shielding against the same level of attacks that Thor has-- and certainly has never use shields against energies that easily tore through space. Bill=/=Thor.
Unless you can prove that ALL shielding generated by Mjolnir/Stormbreaker are equal, then Thor's feats really don't mean shit where Bill is concerned.
Originally posted by Galan007
Bill has never used shielding against the same level of attacks that Thor has-- and certainly has never use shields against energies that easily tore through space. Bill=/=Thor.Unless you can prove that ALL shielding generated by Mjolnir/Stormbreaker are equal, then Thor's feats really don't mean shit where Bill is concerned.
As far as I'm concerned Mjolnir = Stormbreaker in power. Thor and Bill are not as equal overall, but when it comes to abilities that derive from the Odin enchantment, I consider them on par.
Like I said bud, not impressed. Breaching space/time is really keen and cool but it's just space cheese. And is not in itself indicative of the power to penetrate Stormbreaker's shielding because like I pointed out, Thor has accomplished it easily and there's no way he can replicate that with Stormbreaker's defenses.
That's not even taking into account the fact that Mjolinr/Stormbreaker are enchanted to rip through space/time themselves.