Atrocitus Vs Beta Ray Bill

Originally posted by Galan007
Cog posted the scans on page 2.

Saw the scan. Seems more like an ability to open up space but by puking which is how most RLs operate. If Surfer holds up his hand and blast space open, that doesn't mean all his blast can tear apart space. My point is, A can open space with his puke, not that his puke is so powerful it's tearing up space because we've seen the majority of his appearances where his puke doesn't do this.

Stardust can open up space too, it doesn't mean all his attacks can tear space it. Vomit for a RL is like a GL pointing his ring and willing things into existence.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As far as I'm concerned Mjolnir = Stormbreaker in power. Thor and Bill are not as equal overall, but when it comes to abilities that derive from the Odin enchantment, I consider them on par.

Like I said bud, not impressed. Breaching space/time is just some more pointless space cheese. And is not indicicative of the power to penetrate Stormbreaker's shielding because like I pointed out, Thor has accomplished easily and there's no way he can replicate that with Stormbreaker's defenses.

I believe Stormbreaker could soak/block Atro's attacks just fine, if said energies struck the hammer itself. However, there's no proof that his shielding would hold up... Especially given that Atro EASILY ripped through space with a single burst of his energy (even Black Bolt's voice had to be focused/amplified for him to preform a similar feat.)

...And I love how often the term "space cheese" is getting used around here. Seems like that's what everyone is calling feats they don't like nowadays. /shrug

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Saw the scan. Seems more like an ability to open up space but by puking which is how most RLs operate. If Surfer holds up his hand and blast space open, that doesn't mean all his blast can tear apart space. My point is, A can open space with his puke, not that his puke is so powerful it's tearing up space because we've seen the majority of his appearances where his puke doesn't do this.

Stardust can open up space too, it doesn't mean all his attacks can tear space it. Vomit for a RL is like a GL pointing his ring and willing things into existence.

"In which case... I shall... incinerate space...":

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"... and then tear nothingness itself":

Don't even think it's debatable, tbh. Atro's blast "incinerated space."

Originally posted by Galan007
The weapons themselves are equal, but the methods in which Bill/Thor employ the exotic abilities of said weapons is VASTLY different. Simply put: Thor uses the exotic abilities of his hammer a LOT more, and a LOT better, than Bill. Just because Thor has used Mjolnir one way, doesn't mean Bill would use Stormbreaker the same way. Again: Thor=/=Bill.

I believe Stormbreaker could soak/block Atro's attacks just fine, if said energies struck the hammer itself. However, there's no proof that his shielding would hold up... Especially given that Atro EASILY ripped through space with a single burst of his energy (even Black Bolt's voice had to be focused/amplified for him to preform a similar feat.)

...And I love how often the term "space cheese" is getting used around here. Seems like that's what everyone is calling feats they don't like nowadays. /shrug

Actually, if we averaged out their appearances, Bill might very well be more exotic and a smarter fighter than Thor. That being said, I will not deny that Thor has done things with Mjolnir that Bill has not yet replicated. However, I'm not arguing that Bill is going to replicate the God Blast or anything.

I'm referring to defensive methods, and all of Thor's classically used moves (Vortex, shield, hammer block etc.) has all been replicated by Bill. And since the hammer's are equal in power, I don't even see what their is to debate about. Shielding is something Bill has employed more than once.

Holy shit, I've said this more than once, but I'll say it one more time just so it sticks. Being able to breach space/time is not in itself evidence that Atrocitus can penetrate Stormbreaker's defenses. What don't you understand man? Thor has done the very same with a single hammer blow, a poke, he's casually blocked energies from beings that fart and blow a hole through space/time.

It's not special, it's really not even that impressive in the grand scheme of elites.

I mean common, heralds do that shit regularly for travel when they tear open space with wormholes etc. Heck, Stardust tore a hole in space-time when he summoned the gateway to Azeroth's prison with a sweep of his weapon. And compared to Bill's defenses, he was b*tch made.

Anyways, if you still don't get it then I give up, to each his own. Unless you want to take it to a battlezone (Which I'm actually down for since I have some spare time), I'm done with this topic of discussion.

i kinda agree with WWK. the barf opened a gate a couple meters in front, so that's kinda weird if you take his prose literally.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Actually, if we averaged out their appearances, Bill might very well be more exotic and a smarter fighter than Thor. That being said, I will not deny that Thor has done things with Mjolnir that Bill has not yet replicated. However, I'm not arguing that Bill is going to replicate the God Blast or anything.

I'm referring to defensive methods, and all of Thor's classically used moves (Vortex, shield, hammer block etc.) has all been replicated by Bill. And since the hammer's are equal in power, I don't even see what their is to debate about. Shielding is something Bill has employed more than once.

Holy shit, I've said this more than once, but I'll say it one more time just so it sticks. Being able to breach space/time is not in itself evidence that Atrocitus can penetrate Stormbreaker's defenses. What don't you understand man? Thor has done the very same with a single hammer blow, a poke, he's casually blocked energies from beings that fart and blow a hole through space/time.

It's not special, it's really not even that impressive in the grand scheme of elites.

I mean common, heralds do that shit regularly. Heck, Stardust tore a hole in space-time when he summoned the gateway to Azeroth's prison with a sweep of his weapon.

Anyways, if you still don't get it then I give up, to each his own. Unless you want to take it to a battlezone (Which I'm actually down for since I have some spare time), I'm done with this topic of discussion.

Again: Bill's hammer can hold up to Atro's attacks IF said attacks hit the hammer itself. There is NO evidence, however, that Bill's external shielding can hold up to those same attacks... Because he's never used external shielding to defend against attacks of that magnitude. Never. If you disagree, then I challenge you to post a single scan to the contrary. Conversely, Bill HAS used Stormbreaker itself to block high-level attacks-- which is why Stormbreaker itself can block Atro's energies.

Originally posted by Galan007
Atro ripped that shit open by force...

"In which case... I shall... incinerate space...":

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"... and then tear nothingness itself":

Don't even think it's debatable, tbh. Atro's blast "incinerated space."

Except every other time he vomits it doesn't incinerate space. He blast a hole through space by a concentration and rage. A GL will a blast to open space would be not different. It's just an ability to open up space channeled through vomit and rage, his vomit doesn't exactly open up space just because it's that powerful,otherwise all his previous vomits would've torn apart space.

well no, he chose to do it and that blast would be for that purpose, but i think the issue is assuming he did so with heat and not just a "warp gate beam"

It's right there in black and white: Atro "incinerated space."

in·cin·er·ate
Verb: Destroy (any variable) by burning.

ie. Atro "destroyed space."

Originally posted by Galan007
It's right there in black and white: Atro "incinerated space."

ie. Atro "destroyed space."

That's great. So how many fights did he win with this attack?

Bill surviving two blackholes.

I'm only talking about Atro's attack breaching Bill's external shielding. Nothing more.

Nice of you to post that huge scan, though. 👆

lol

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm only talking about Atro's attack breaching Bill's external shielding. Nothing more.

Nice of you to post that huge scan, though. 👆

Free internet scans, take what I can get. I'm sure you've got DSL or cable at this point. Maybe somebody poor Afghan with his dial-up wouldn't like what I just did.

Phuck Afghans. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Phuck Afghans. 👆

lol, just don't talk about their religion.

Originally posted by Galan007
If Atro can use his power to tear a hole through space itself (see page 2), he can breach Bill's shielding, imo.

👆 exactly my thoughts. Didnt guy garsnwr with the red ring tear throufh multiple lanterns like nothing?

Originally posted by Golgo13
👆 exactly my thoughts. Didnt guy garsnwr with the red ring tear throufh multiple lanterns like nothing?

Lantern emotions are hard to put into perspective of who is stronger, when its fodder lanterns.

I would put my money on BRB to be safe. He equal Thor in strength, before becoming the BRB we know now.

Originally posted by vansonbee
Lantern emotions are hard to put into perspective of who is stronger, when its fodder lanterns.

I would put my money on BRB to be safe. He equal Thor in strength, before becoming the BRB we know now.

I think it was Kyle, John, and the rest of the corps. Hardly fodder lanterns.

Guy as a red lantern almost single-handedly turned the tide of battle against the black lanterns.

Quite possibly the greatest "come at me bro" in comics. Ever.

Originally posted by Golgo13
👆 exactly my thoughts. Didnt guy garsnwr with the red ring tear throufh multiple lanterns like nothing?