Originally posted by Lord Feron
While grifter with his TK was able to avoid looking as bad as Supes which was just insane...
Grifter>Helspont>Supes=WildCATs ftw!
Have to see more from NuDC Supes (yes I know about the Earth Benchpressing) especially durability feats.
Helspont was shown as a big deal (as he should be)
But still going with Orion (Classic until we see what the NuOrion can do)
Classic Orion IMHO has the best showings of any (mainstream?) herald ever against Supes, and he would beat (again IMO) Helspont, and NuSupes for that matter.
I'd say Helspont is up there so far, but for my money NuDarkseid is superior.
Not only the whole League couldn't do nothing to stop him in a fight, but he also KOed, the entire League when he first arrived, then he oneshot Koed Supes, broke GL's arm, and finally was manhandling WW (with one hand), Supes (bearhug after a two handed Supes blitz), and was fine after having both his eyes stabbed with mystical weapons. The League only managed to bfr him by literally pulling a boom tube out of Cyborg's @$$.
Plus he has already conquered Earth 2, and that's a big feat for any villain's CV.
Originally posted by Galan007
Orion stalemated a sun-amped Superman (pre-reboot)!!He wins.
err..
😐
I don't know what scene you're referring to, but Orion has always been portrayed as regular Supes' equal(ish) when both are unamped. I don't even believe you actually think Orion would take a sun-amped Superman in a neutral setting.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Helspont backhanded a physically more imposing Superman (DCnU) into unconsciousness.One of his heralds, with a small fraction of his power, downed Martian Manhunter easily.
Helspont one-shots him if he gets even mildly serious here.
Damn!
I remember typical common Daemonites doing incredible feats like throwing a handful of bar straws into wood like Bullseye would on his best day.
But Helspont backhanding Supes and subordinates defeating Martian Manhunter is through the roof.
Orion didn't stalemate a sun amped superman, it was a boosted superman. Orion also made it clear that without surprise he would've had no chance at all. Seriously barda and megarod looked more impressive than orion and astro force. Just two appearances later a normal superman was smacking orion around after shrugging off cheapshot astro force blasts from orion. Its like saying that superman stalemated Infinity man so he would curbstomp orion.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaNot really.
Helspont backhanded a physically more imposing Superman (DCnU) into unconsciousness.One of his heralds, with a small fraction of his power, downed Martian Manhunter easily.
Helspont one-shots him if he gets even mildly serious here.
Not surprising since he was being assaulted by her Blue Flame, which would render using that fight unreliable (at best) for measuring respective power levels.
Not really. Orion's got better feats.
Originally posted by comicfan11Off-topic, but agreed. 👆
I'd say Helspont is up there so far, but for my money NuDarkseid is superior.Not only the whole League couldn't do nothing to stop him in a fight, but he also KOed, the entire League when he first arrived, then he oneshot Koed Supes, broke GL's arm, and finally was manhandling WW (with one hand), Supes (bearhug after a two handed Supes blitz), and was fine after having both his eyes stabbed with mystical weapons. The League only managed to bfr him by literally pulling a boom tube out of Cyborg's @$$.
Plus he has already conquered Earth 2, and that's a big feat for any villain's CV.
Originally posted by CogitoSuperman flies near the sun:
Still don't believe you think Orion = Sun-amped Superman > Superman (base).You know there's too much contradictory history.
A few pages later, Orion does extremely well against him:
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After the rest of the group swarms and Kryptonites Supes, he flat-out says that they would have killed him had he not have spent so much time near the sun:
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Thus he was definitely amped during that battle to some extent-- otherwise, by his own accord, he would have been killed.
Vis-a-vis, Orion stalemated a sun-amped Supes.
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Anyhow, I wasn't really posting it as evidence for Orion. Typically he is portrayed as Superman's equal... That one feat is contradictory to pretty much every other battle they've had. The writer just got a hard-on for Orion there.
Originally posted by Galan007
Superman flies near the sun:
[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13651678_week16-1999-SupesMOT-13-01.jpg]
[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13651679_week16-1999-SupesMOT-13-02.jpg]A few pages later, Orion does extremely well against him:
[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13651680_week16-1999-SupesMOT-13-14.jpg]
[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13651681_week16-1999-SupesMOT-13-15.jpg]
[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13651682_week16-1999-SupesMOT-13-16.jpg]
[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13651683_week16-1999-SupesMOT-13-17.jpg]
[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13651684_week16-1999-SupesMOT-13-18.jpg]After the rest of the group swarms and Kryptonites Supes, he flat-out says that they would have killed him had he not have spent so much time near the sun:
[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/13651685_week16-1999-SupesMOT-13-21.jpg]
Thus he was definitely amped during that battle to some extent-- otherwise, by his own accord, he would have been killed.Vis-a-vis, Orion stalemated a sun-amped Supes.
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Anyhow, I wasn't really posting it as evidence for Orion. Typically he is portrayed as Superman's equal... That one feat is contradictory to pretty much every other battle they've had.
Awesome feat.
Shows how powerful The Dog Of War was.
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