Originally posted by Philosophía
😂ODG, ladies and gentlemen, giving new meanings to the term "push oneself". How is Superman pushing himself to access new levels of power -- by not pushing himself, and barely working a sweat after 5 days of doing something that by his own words is shit "is that it?", by his physical state being with "barely a drop of sweat" and by the scientist's own words,not testing his limits "the only way to aproximate the tonnage you need to test the upper limits of your strength, would necessitate tapping directly into a pan-dimensional wormhole". OneDumb logic at work. 👆
As I was writing this post, I picked up a pencil from the desk. Started bench-pressing it. I'll do this for a couple of hours, and when I work up a sweat, I know I've done it - I've finally reached levels of power I've not accessed before.
Same old ODG.
Your flippancy is wholly wasted. It's apparent that you refuse to even address what I've plainly stated. And I understand that, because it provides you no egress for your narrow-minded argument. But insulting my grasp of the English language to manufacture excuses for pretending Superman wasn't pushing himself to previously unseen levels of power is a rather comical and pitiable ploy.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman was never shown accesing new levels of power - he hadn't even reached his current, baseline limits. The comic literally spells it out for you.
From what I've seen of an unreleased comic, that's exactly what was spelled out. But we both should accept that statements such as, "
-- made me realize I need to push myself further than I have before" and "
This whole exhaustion thing feels kind of... liberating" should be read in their fullest context, i.e., when the comic comes out.
Originally posted by Philosophía
You need to prove that an alien, blue energy source activated J'onn's weakness, when literally nothing in the issue even hints that's the case. Just because an alien energy source with various capabilities is called "blue flame" isn't an argument. Just in case people don't think I'm omitting facts, here is the entire scene:
Now prove that the energy blast had anything to do with exploiting J'onn's weakness, and not the potecy of the blast itself. What's next? J'onn is weak to Kyle's energy because he is the "Torch bearer"?
Nobody accused you of omitting facts. You just blundered when you mentioned that J'onn was just fine attacking her "eventhough she was glowing with that energy" when she actually wasn't. Your attempt to shift the burden of proof on to me only demonstrates that you've utterly eschewed common sense deduction.
Mentioning GLs does provide a rather fortuitous opportunity for elaboration though. I can, in fact, prove that Green Lantern energy can have nothing to do with fire and flame effects. Can you do the same with the Blue Flame? No. I can, in fact, use simple common sense and perceive that when GLs wield their energy to simulate fire and flame, it will actually be devastatingly hot and cause burns. Can you do the same with the Blue Flame? Apparently, not. Common sense fails you in this regard (or is it the other way around?).
It looks like fire. It's called the "Blue Flame." And J'onn becomes a little fetal b1tch when he's engulfed in special fire, much less normal fire. I'm not entertaining your attempts to gloss over that just so you can make unflattering comparisons between characters.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Why do you think constantly mentioning Grifter means anything? Do you think the name "Grifter" means that he can't give Helspont problems [which he has]?
We both know exactly why I repeat it. However far you end up carrying this irresponsible reverse projection is on you though. If it turns out Grifter's got power levels rivaling/exceeding Superman's with the way he challenged/toppled Helspont, I will concede that all your arguments are correct.
And since we're doing little else but repeating ourselves, this conversation has run thin.
