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List down the greatest hurdles in your opinion good comic characters have that prevent them from reaching epic status.

When I mean epic status, I mean actually ""cool" in most people's eyes(not just some hardcore fans) and wash away the ugliness of their past incarnation.

Gonna start

DCnU Aquaman
Greatest Hurdle: Costume.

He got massively pushed in DCnU, got epic badass moments and good stories. He got his previous lame ass fish talk to be downplayed a bit and worked practically better in some cases. However.... Orange and Green...sucks. That's all

Aquaman - f@ckhead comic "fans" who know jack shit about the character and recycle what they see in Family Guy (a show I love except for the Aquaman part) Big Bang Theory etc.

Thanos - his fans. simple as that.

Ronan - to many space characters to get a shot.

Surfer - his mostly polite attitude and behavior

Wolverine - overusing him

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
List down the greatest hurdles in your opinion good comic characters have that prevent them from reaching epic status.

When I mean epic status, I mean actually ""cool" in most people's eyes(not just some hardcore fans) and wash away the ugliness of their past incarnation.

Gonna start

DCnU Aquaman
Greatest Hurdle: Costume.

He got massively pushed in DCnU, got epic badass moments and good stories. He got his previous lame ass fish talk to be downplayed a bit and worked practically better in some cases. However.... Orange and Green...sucks. That's all

His costume actually has meaning. Like, deep meaning.

He's a member of Miami U :-p

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's a member of Miami U :-p

😂

I like aquaman's armor, I'm sick of red and blue costumes

If your not superman, or Captain America cut it out
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Thor/Superman
Hurdle: Finding balance between being the top guy on there respective teams, while not being so powerful that it defeats the purpose of forming a team

Cyclops
Hurdle: not being Magneto, and being ok with that

Hulk
Hurdle: Flight 😂

Kang
Hurdle: not being a high end jobber

Luke Cage
Hurdle: Lord Rand

Pym: Bad writers ignoring past advancements in tier. They keep holding him back.

Cyclops: Bad writers ignoring his entire history.

Marvel Dracula: Whatever the hell they did with his reimagining. Pure fail. Classic Drac always kicked ass except against hunters. The new version is just a guy in a suit of armor and sword.
Makes me Postal.

Dr Strange: Last time I saw him he was screwing an intern in a university and feeling bad about it. What a loser he has become. Strange doesn't feel bad about anything. His character should be written as a man who was once a guardian god and now walks the Earth as a mere mortal. And no writer has been able to capture that. Such a waste!
He needs to leave the Avengers and go back to his roots. A star of a horror suspense supernatural series would be AWESOME.

Ironman: He went through plenty of upgrades in the last 8 or so years. And it killed what made Ironman awesome in the first place. A man in a suit who defeated his enemies narrowly using scientific geek theory. Now he's just a guy in a suit who punches goons till they go down. I remember Tony defeating villains and thinking "wow, that was really clever." Nowadays he just flukes his way through with extreme plot devices. I appreciate the upgrade. But Tony is cooler than this. Hoping his adventures with the GOTG are good.

Pym & Stark
Hurdle: each other, they need a solid fight to see who is the top dog on earth

Aquaman
Hurdle: lack of asolid established low heralds to pit Arthur to contend with

Batman
Hurdle: the constant need for writers to have Batman one up himself

Sentry
Hurdle: Thor

Shuma Gorath
Hurdle: Feats

Manta is a solid villain...

Originally posted by -Pr-
Manta is a solid villain...

QFT
Manta is a mean COLD strategic b@stard. With good powerlevel also.

But I think what will turn a lot of heads is the upcoming Throne of Atlantis crossover and the depiction of the Nu Ocean Master.

Expect a lot of Holy $hit moments.

Also Preboot Aquaman had a hobby of trouncing 100 toners but they were not parts of his rogue's gallery. Olympian, The Deep Six, Triton, Ultraman, Lobo, Superboy, WW etc etc.
The list of fights Aquaman has won or done well puts many more respected characters to shame IMO.

Originally posted by comicfan11
QFT
Manta is a mean COLD strategic b@stard. With good powerlevel also.

But I think what will turn a lot of heads is the upcoming Throne of Atlantis crossover and the depiction of the Nu Ocean Master.

Expect a lot of Holy $hit moments.

Also Preboot Aquaman had a hobby of trouncing 100 toners but they were not parts of his rogue's gallery. Olympian, The Deep Six, Triton, Ultraman, Lobo, Superboy, WW etc etc.
The list of fights Aquaman has won or done well puts many more respected characters to shame IMO.

Yeah, he's done pretty well. The only thing is that they rarely made his victories against some of them straight up fist-fights, which I really think they need to start doing.

Galactus
Just seat around a table, and discuss what is his place in the MU, what autorithy does he has, what can he do, what he can't do, etc. And stop rebooting him every time he appears.

Spider-Man
Stop over-using him. The difference between him and Wolverine is that Wolverine is somewhat interesting, and still revelent. Spider-Man was created in the 60's. His fans are growing up. He was revelent when he was married, and dealing with life. After the reboot, his just falling in the same loop again, and again, and again. Boring as shit. Get him the heck away of the Avengers and the FF.

Reed Richards / Norrin Radd
They are both intelligent, in their own ways. But being cerebral doesn't mean that you can't have a certain amount of edge. Both of them should be more willing.

Hulk / Hercules
A lot of shit can be said on Greg Pak, but boy can he writes those two. Put him on both Hulk and Hercules, take a sit, and enjoy.

Thanos
Just stop to writing him. Not because he's not awesome. But in bad hands (Avengers Assemble!!!), Marvel is scrapping him. I want him in epic sagas. Not in that stuff!

Cyclops / Xavier
Both of them are/were written as being more and more jerks. So I'd say you better go balls to the walls, and write them as mother****ers, traitors, evil masterminds or something.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, he's done pretty well. The only thing is that they rarely made his victories against some of them straight up fist-fights, which I really think they need to start doing.

Agreed that's why I posted mainly his physical fights.
Plus I think this will be the case from now on.

So far he usually engages in close combat and I think that's the way to go also.

Gladiator - Lack of appearances/importance to the MU. I think he could be quite popular if Marvel put more effort into building his character. Even his backstory during WOK (an event he was prominent in) felt quite rushed to me. Would love to see him appear more often.

Martian Manhunter - Needs to be a bit more of a badass, reminds me of Silver Surfer.

Hulk - More heroism like in the movie. Better rogues gallery to test himself against, constantly fighting hulked out creatures and Doombots gets old real fast.

Thor - Less jobbing, more respect. He does quite well in his own book but this past year has been terrible for Thor outside of that. Also for a guy who has basically seen it all and is a god, he is often portrayed as dense and very brutish, a bit too often for my liking.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Galactus
Just seat around a table, and discuss what is his place in the MU, what autorithy does he has, what can he do, what he can't do, etc. And stop rebooting him every time he appears.

Spider-Man
Stop over-using him. The difference between him and Wolverine is that Wolverine is somewhat interesting, and still revelent. Spider-Man was created in the 60's. His fans are growing up. He was revelent when he was married, and dealing with life. After the reboot, his just falling in the same loop again, and again, and again. Boring as shit. Get him the heck away of the Avengers and the FF.

Reed Richards / Norrin Radd
They are both intelligent, in their own ways. But being cerebral doesn't mean that you can't have a certain amount of edge. Both of them should be more willing.

Hulk / Hercules
A lot of shit can be said on Greg Pak, but boy can he writes those two. Put him on both Hulk and Hercules, take a sit, and enjoy.

Thanos
Just stop to writing him. Not because he's not awesome. But in bad hands (Avengers Assemble!!!), Marvel is scrapping him. I want him in epic sagas. Not in that stuff!

Cyclops / Xavier
Both of them are/were written as being more and more jerks. So I'd say you better go balls to the walls, and write them as mother****ers, traitors, evil masterminds or something.

Cyclops just needs to go back to the way he was, is all.

Originally posted by comicfan11
Agreed that's why I posted mainly his physical fights.
Plus I think this will be the case from now on.

So far he usually engages in close combat and I think that's the way to go also.

When did he beat Wonder Woman h2h?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops just needs to go back to the way he was, is all.

When did he beat Wonder Woman h2h?

He didn't
That's why I included "done well against'

In Flashpoint though he had her almost beaten before Captain Thunder broke up the fight.

Originally posted by comicfan11
He didn't
That's why I included "done well against'

In Flashpoint though he had her almost beaten before Captain Thunder broke up the fight.

Oh okay.

I haven't read Flashpoint tbh, but I'm going to have to for the respect thread I guess.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster

Spider-Man
Spider-Man was created in the 60's. His fans are growing up.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh okay.

I haven't read Flashpoint tbh, but I'm going to have to for the respect thread I guess.

I'll be the first to celebrate when this Respect Thread appears.
If you need anything pm me.

As for Flashpoint

You mainly need

Flashpoint #02,04,05
Deathstroke and the Curse of the Ravager #01,02
Emperor Aquaman #01,02,03
Wonder Woman and the Furies #01,02,03

and also

Lois Lane and the Resistance #01
Abin Sur #01,03
Hal Jordan #01
World of Flashpoint #01,02,03
Booster Gold #45

Just to make it easier
And also the JLA Retrospective issue where Detroit Aquaman tussles with Detroit Steel.

Wonder Man: Needs to go back to being a hero and have a crowning moment of awesome.

Apocalypse: Too easy.