Which Movie Jedi/Sith can Peak Suit Vader defeat?

Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
Anakin never reached his potential before he had to have the Cybernetics, and Vader became a TK master after he calmed down a bit and gained more mastery of the Dark Side. Vader is ofeten considered weak and pathetic. If that isso, how had he survived all the way until episode VI? I still think that Vader is more powerful than people give him credit for. That is why I made this thread. If the thread was "Who could Mace Windu defeat?" the answer would be EVERYONE from a lot of people. Everyone thinks Mace is a god and would never lose. Vader prettymuch fights like Mace does in terms of aggressiveness, yet he is considered a joke.

We know Vader is Powerful, because Lucas himself said he's 80% as powerful as the Emporer.

All Im saying is Lucas's words suggest Pre-Suit Vader was even more powerful. Considering he defeated Count Dooku I would think that makes sense.

I'm talking about in an all out. Obviously Vader's TK is far beyond pre-suit Vader's, and there's always the chance Suited Vader could just Force Choke Pre-Suit Vader.

I'll be the 1st to admit that Mace can't beat everyone.
Vader has his moments but defeating Jedi alone?
Only the weaker and average Jedi.

All I'm saying is Mace , Yoda , or Obi Wan didn't need an army to "hide " behind.
Vader's good but not that good to defeat the most powerful. (my opinion ).

Originally posted by juyomaster34

All I'm saying is Mace , Yoda , or Obi Wan didn't need an army to "hide " behind.

Really? Did they not go into the Clone Wars with an army??

Mace would win the majority against Vader. But there's always the chance Vader could Force Choke/Levitate him.

Why did he send Star Killer to Kiill Shaak Ti ,Kota, Kazdan Paratus?
When he could have done it himself ?
He's so powerful right? TK Mastery and all right?
Why send a boy to do what Palpatine told Him to do?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Really? Did they not go into the Clone Wars with an army??

Mace would win the majority against Vader. But there's always the chance Vader could Force Choke/Levitate him.

Force choke/Levitate?possibly?
Mace would Force crush/Levitate him
before taking a hand or an arm.

Vader's slow he'll try TK to make up for him being slow and bulky
It ain't like Mace can't counter TK.
Which I'm sure he can.
TK is his only defense,besides Saber Throw to Mace's Saber barrier and throw.

Originally posted by juyomaster34
Why did he send Star Killer to Kiill Shaak Ti ,Kota, Kazdan Paratus?
When he could have done it himself ?
He's so powerful right? TK Mastery and all right?
Why send a boy to do what Palpatine told Him to do?

To rest Starkiller. Was part of his training. Fact is Starkiller with like 3 power up's later took down Vader after a hard fight.

So the point in time your talking about Vader was more powerful than Starkiller.

Originally posted by juyomaster34

Mace would Force crush/Levitate him
before taking a hand or an arm.

Unlikely because Vader's Force TK is above Mace's.

Says you it's above his TK. lol
I'm saying if he is that Powerful he could have taken them down himself.
But he wasn't that Powerful so his TK ain't above Mace or Yoda for that matter.lol.

Face it Vader is all hype if he went up against Shaak Ti , Kota,or Kazdan Paratus.
he would have got stomped. Then here comes... the 501st...to the rescue!!! lol.

My thoughts on Mace vs Vader thing:

First of all, Vader's Force power is good enough to virtually stalemate Galen "I have crazy a$$ force-feats" Marek....
Gauging by this alone, we can conclude that he is above Mace in the Force department.

On the other hand, Mace is an outstanding saber duelist, whose skill is only rivaled by a few in the entire mythos. I'm sure he will take sabers handily.

All-out between Vader an Mace: I'd say Mace takes 7/10 due to being able to evade/defend against at least some of Vader Force attacks, then close the distance and win in sabers. However once Vader will have a clear chance to outduel Mace Force-wise, Mace is done.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
My thoughts on Mace vs Vader thing:

First of all, Vader's Force power is good enough to virtually stalemate Galen "I have crazy a$$ force-feats" Marek....
Gauging by this alone, we can conclude that he is above Mace in the Force department.

On the other hand, Mace is an outstanding saber duelist, whose skill is only rivaled by a few in the entire mythos. I'm sure he will take sabers handily.

All-out between Vader an Mace: I'd say Mace takes 7/10 due to being able to evade/defend against at least some of Vader Force attacks, then close the distance and win in sabers. However once Vader will have a clear chance to outduel Mace Force-wise, Mace is done.

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Originally posted by juyomaster34
Why did he send Star Killer to Kiill Shaak Ti ,Kota, Kazdan Paratus?
When he could have done it himself ?
He's so powerful right? TK Mastery and all right?
Why send a boy to do what Palpatine told Him to do?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
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stalemate?Galen ?
He kicked Vader's ass !!!
that's quite a jedi mind trick you got going.

Again seriously with the TK?
Pre- peak don't matter Vader is Flawed
Mace is above this midget.

Just because we have n't seen enough of his Force use
Yall saying that this half Force potential enforcer is superior to a real Jedi master?
He'll burn out using his amped up TK.

And when he does he'll loose his head or maybe get Force crushed
either way strike at Vader's weak points and he's done.

Funny you mentioned the Temple
which was I don't know about a legion or so of 501st?

All we see is him fighting a sub battle master,his padawan/turned Jedi knight
and then big bad Ani killing younglings?

really? the 501st did all the killing
And he's better because he slaughtered younglings ?

really? like I said in several threads ago,
Treymane kicked his ass
Galen and his clone kicked his ass,that's fact and yall's favorite that's canon

no matter how you amp his "TK" Mace's TK is just as good.
Vader is a walking shatter point
all Mace is got to do is pick one.

And please don't say he ain't got no weaknesses because he do
And don't say he won't sense his shatter point bc he will .

he won't need to close the distance bc he is just as deadly with TK as Vader is
Ask Grievous and Kar Vastor.

it was a nice hype but not good enough Vader still falls to Mace.
Maybe if you add the 501st he might just have a chance....lol

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Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
Because he is doing other things. If you look at Vader's Wikipedia page, he was busy with his own duties

Busy? how about hiding!!! he's a coward.
he's not the Face of the empire so what duties?
Oh the you do the jedi killing and I 'll take the credit duties?

Kota got better TK than this coward,Galen do too.
Vader sends a....boy to fight me!?

the last time he went against Jedi,they were average.
He kicked No they kicked his ass,then 501st saves the day!!!

I'mma keep saying 501st because he aint nothing without them
When it comes to a Jedi more Powerful than this Coward!!! lol.

You still haven't answered my question
Can Vader take Shaak Tii ,Rahm Kota,or crazy as daffy duck Kazdan?

let me answer that No.
Not without the 501st. and his "apprentice"
How many other flunkies' credit he's gonna take for killing Jedi? 😆
If he's so Powerful then why does Palpatine keep trying to replace him?

Simple answer: he's not
Vader was his Enforcer nothing more but a disappointment
A sad disappointment that yall just keep hyping up.
TK? Palpatine Kings him in that and Sith Lightning. 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by axel_jovan
My thoughts on Mace vs Vader thing:

First of all, Vader's Force power is good enough to virtually stalemate Galen "I have crazy a$$ force-feats" Marek....
Gauging by this alone, we can conclude that he is above Mace in the Force department.

On the other hand, Mace is an outstanding saber duelist, whose skill is only rivaled by a few in the entire mythos. I'm sure he will take sabers handily.

All-out between Vader an Mace: I'd say Mace takes 7/10 due to being able to evade/defend against at least some of Vader Force attacks, then close the distance and win in sabers. However once Vader will have a clear chance to outduel Mace Force-wise, Mace is done.

You mean Vader's crazy a$$ force feats if you believe this crap.
I only conclude that Mace is above Both Versions of this hyped up Vader.
Not only him: there's Yoda, Rahm Kota, Kazdan Paratus, Obi Wan Kenobi
Who actually kicked his a$$ (canon) by the way lol,

Too many to name
when he got stomped he lost half of his power
probably more than that. and all yall can hold for comfort is
his over rated TK,the one hope that makes Vader bad a$$

Besides the 501st, killing younglings, and barely surviving Galen Marek and his clone.
he's pretty bad a$$.

And a Sith Master that has been trying to replace his sad disappointment for...the entire
empire era or the infamous dark times but he' s still bad a$$,right?
TK and all right? lol I don't think so.

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The fact he can survive and stalemate Galen or Clone is a feat in itself. TFU Novels show that Vader was giving as good as he got in either fight.
So stop hating on Vader when people put legit arguments in front of you to back themselves up. Force-wise, Vader > Mace. It's just true.

And for the record. Vader didn't lose half his power. Lucas even went on record and said that Vader = 8/10 or 80% of the Emperor's power.

Rahm Kota above Vader?
Kazdan above Vader?

Are you high? 💃

Originally posted by juyomaster34
Busy? how about hiding!!! he's a coward.
he's not the Face of the empire so what duties?
Oh the you do the jedi killing and I 'll take the credit duties?

Kota got better TK than this coward,Galen do too.
Vader sends a....boy to fight me!?

the last time he went against Jedi,they were average.
He kicked No they kicked his ass,then 501st saves the day!!!

I'mma keep saying 501st because he aint nothing without them
When it comes to a Jedi more Powerful than this Coward!!! lol.

You still haven't answered my question
Can Vader take Shaak Tii ,Rahm Kota,or crazy as daffy duck Kazdan?

let me answer that No.
Not without the 501st. and his "apprentice"
How many other flunkies' credit he's gonna take for killing Jedi? 😆
If he's so Powerful then why does Palpatine keep trying to replace him?

Simple answer: he's not
Vader was his Enforcer nothing more but a disappointment
A sad disappointment that yall just keep hyping up.
TK? Palpatine Kings him in that and Sith Lightning. 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by juyomaster34
Busy? how about hiding!!! he's a coward.
he's not the Face of the empire so what duties?
Oh the you do the jedi killing and I 'll take the credit duties?

Kota got better TK than this coward,Galen do too.
Vader sends a....boy to fight me!?

the last time he went against Jedi,they were average.
He kicked No they kicked his ass,then 501st saves the day!!!

I'mma keep saying 501st because he aint nothing without them
When it comes to a Jedi more Powerful than this Coward!!! lol.

You still haven't answered my question
Can Vader take Shaak Tii ,Rahm Kota,or crazy as daffy duck Kazdan?

let me answer that No.
Not without the 501st. and his "apprentice"
How many other flunkies' credit he's gonna take for killing Jedi? 😆
If he's so Powerful then why does Palpatine keep trying to replace him?

Simple answer: he's not
Vader was his Enforcer nothing more but a disappointment
A sad disappointment that yall just keep hyping up.
TK? Palpatine Kings him in that and Sith Lightning. 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
The fact he can survive and stalemate Galen or Clone is a feat in itself. TFU Novels show that Vader was giving as good as he got in either fight.
So stop hating on Vader when people put legit arguments in front of you to back themselves up. Force-wise, Vader > Mace. It's just true.

And for the record. Vader didn't lose half his power. Lucas even went on record and said that Vader = 8/10 or 80% of the Emperor's power.

Rahm Kota above Vader?
Kazdan above Vader?

Are you high? 💃

Are you high? Who cares!!!
Hating on a Grievous reject with limited Force abilties?
Forget Mace this is about a sad disappointment that is constantly being replaced by a Master
that places his highest flunkies above "bad a$$ Vader". Who lookout for his amped up
TK Which can be countered

Nothing to say about him being replaced?
Nothing to say about him killing Jedi himself without 501st ?

I rest my case you have no case but his amped up TK and 501st saving your this
sad disappointment.

And for the record Galen Marek and his clone still stomped him and LET HIM LIVE!!!
Deal with it it's still fact and canon.

Yeah they're above Vader,
Mace Yoda Revan Galen Marek Rahm Kota
Like I said 4 or 5 threads ago Why send a boy to do bad a$$ TK Vader's Job ? He's a
COWARD!!! He knew he couldn't take Kota or Shaak Ti
Then he sends the Clone to go after Kota again!!!

What??Nothing to say ?? I can name plenty of Jedi Sith and who ever that can still
take Vader and win.