Originally posted by dadudemon
Holy shit, you're right:Also, turn it up: SIC by Slipknot.
Yup. Stab to the stomach did double-over logan.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Holy shit, you're right:Also, turn it up: SIC by Slipknot.
Yup. Stab to the stomach did double-over logan.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yeah weve seen it in pieces before: The hook arm blown off, and the little pieces after a pistol shattered it. If a blunt pole can nearly cut it in half, Wolverine's adamatium claws which can cut through foot thick steel objects will breeze it.
The pistol shot was aided by liquid nitrogen though, so that's something completely different.
As for Wolverine's claws, I have no doubt that they can pass through the T1000. In fact, that's kinda the problem. Ever seen the difference between a cut made by a sharp steel pipe to a cut made by a scalpel? The scalpel cuts far easier, but the cut is also cleaner and thinner, easier to heal from.
Wolverine's claws will not make as big a cut as that blunt steel pole since his claws are sharper, meaning the T1000 can heal easier from them.
Besides, the steel pole cut the T1000 NEARLY IN HALF. It didn't cut him completely. And this blow was delivered by the T850 who's clearly shown to be stronger than WOlverine.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its all academic: Wolverine'd tear through it like it were tinfoil. It be in pieces.With his weight behind the strikes he could do it as we saw in the movies, his claws cutting through foot thick solid steel.
The sharpness and his strength cannot be downplayed.
I'm not downplaying it's sharpness, and I agree that it can cut through the limbs of the T1000. What I'm trying to say here is that the T1000 will probably start to heal immediately after Logan's claws cut through it such that nothing ever gets detached to it's body.
Again, I emphasize, everytime it has taken damage in the movies, every body part of the T1000 has remained attached to it.
So unless Wolverine freezes it first by liquid nitrogen or attaches one of the T1000's body parts to a moving vehicle, proof shows that you can't just cut off parts of it.
Originally posted by FrothBytebermm
The pistol shot was aided by liquid nitrogen though, so that's something completely different.As for Wolverine's claws, I have no doubt that they can pass through the T1000. In fact, that's kinda the problem. Ever seen the difference between a cut made by a sharp steel pipe to a cut made by a scalpel? The scalpel cuts far easier, but the cut is also cleaner and thinner, easier to heal from.
Wolverine's claws will not make as big a cut as that blunt steel pole since his claws are sharper, meaning the T1000 can heal easier from them.
Besides, the steel pole cut the T1000 NEARLY IN HALF. It didn't cut him completely. And this blow was delivered by the T850 who's clearly shown to be stronger than WOlverine.
you must be trollin' cause that makes no sense... not to mention that when Wolverine cuts something, the object is cut into three sections, meaning it's not as simple as a there being a thin, clean cut being the result in this scenario, so your scalpel analogy is even more ridiculous.
Originally posted by marwash22
bermmyou must be trollin' cause that makes no sense... not to mention that when Wolverine cuts something, the object is cut into three sections, so your scalpel analogy is even more ridiculous.
If that makes no sense to you, then that's because you don't understand it. If I put three big knives in between my knuckles and slashed you with it, that's still going to leave 3 cleaner, albeit thinner cuts as compared to if I managed to cut an inch thick steel pole into you.
And ofcourse, you forgot about the fact that a stab to the gut is enough to stun logan and double him over.
Originally posted by FrothBytesure thing. but how does that keep the three cut sections from falling away from the body? If Wolverine cuts the T1000s midsection, the pieces would reconnect due to gravity, but how in the blue hell does that work with arms? please explain.
If I put three big knives in between my knuckles and slashed you with it, that's still going to leave 3 cleaner, albeit thinner cuts as compared to if I managed to cut an inch thick steel pole into you.
Originally posted by FrothBytestun? what does that mean? and what does that accomplish? You saw that in the clip with Lady Deathstrike that she stabbed him multiple times and he continued to fight. FFS, Phoenix literally blew all of his skin off... so what is the endgame? How does T1000 put Logan down? Please explain what i am missing.
And ofcourse, you forgot about the fact that a stab to the gut is enough to stun logan and double him over.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And ofcourse, you forgot about the fact that a stab to the gut is enough to stun logan and double him over.
Have to agree, like when Logan was stabbed twice in the abodomen by bone-spike mutant and he was totally stunned and doubled over, TOTALLY. He certainly didn't just get up after he killed the guy and pull out the spikes. Wait.
http://www.spike.com/video-clips/uqw3ng/x-men-the-last-stand-wolverine-forest-rage
Originally posted by marwash22
stun? what does that mean? and what does that accomplish? You saw that in the clip with Lady Deathstrike that she stabbed him multiple times and he continued to fight. FFS, Phoenix literally blew all of his skin off... so what is the endgame? How does T1000 put Logan down? Please explain what i am missing.
Wow, I can't believe you're this naive. Having the wind knocked out of you in a fight even for just a few seconds opens you up to follow up attacks and renders you helpless and unable to counter attack until you get your wind back.
The T1000 doesn't feel pain, meaning he can continue fighting despite receiving injuries. WOlverine on the other hand feels pain, so a stab to the gut will stop him from slashing the T1000. What happens if the T1000 just continues to stab him? He'll be squirming on the floor.
The fight with Deathstrike proves it. Deathstrike had to give Wolvy a breather before he could stand back up and fight.
wow indeed.
What you're saying is wrong, you're clearly seeing what you want to see because for whatever reason, you don't want the T1000 to lose this match. But whatever, lets pretend you're correct and Wolverine getting stabbed in the gut opens him up for more attacks...
Originally posted by marwash22
so what is the endgame?
Originally posted by marwash22
How does T1000 put Logan down?
Originally posted by FrothByte
The fight with Deathstrike proves it. Deathstrike had to give Wolvy a breather before he could stand back up and fight.
Been some time since I've seen X2; when did Deathstrike "give Wolvy a breather" during their fight?
As I recall, it was him being severely outclassed in speed/agility and it was pretty much a stalemate, as they just kept grunting and healing from whatever damage they inflicted on each other. It ended after he stabbed her with the adamantium injectors thereby turning her into a statue.
Originally posted by Robtard
Been some time since I've seen X2; when did Deathstrike "give Wolvy a breather" during their fight?As I recall, it was him being severely outclassed in speed/agility and it was pretty much a stalemate, as they just kept grunting and healing from whatever damage they inflicted on each other. It ended after he stabbed her with the adamantium injectors thereby turning her into a statue.
There's a link posted a few posts above you of the fight between Wolverine and Deathstrike. Stab to the guts clearly hurts him and doubles him over. Not a knock out I admit, but still enough to show that Wolverine can't just tank hits.
Originally posted by FrothByteAnd yet he was taking multiple stabs to his back that would have hit his gut and still able to function.
There's a link posted a few posts above you of the fight between Wolverine and Deathstrike. Stab to the guts clearly hurts him and doubles him over. Not a knock out I admit, but still enough to show that Wolverine can't just tank hits.
Originally posted by marwash22
wow indeed.What you're saying is wrong, you're clearly seeing what you want to see because for whatever reason, you don't want the T1000 to lose this match. But whatever, lets pretend you're correct and Wolverine getting stabbed in the gut opens him up for more attacks...
lol. How am I the one not clearly seeing? Everything I have said so far has been based on proof shown in movies where these two guys have been shown. You're the one who keeps making make-up scenarios just so Wolverine can win.
T1000 can shoot Wolverine in the head for a knock out. IT HAS BEEN SHOWN IN THE MOVIES. T1000 uses a gun, Wolverine gets knocked out with a head shot.
T1000 can use car to crash into Wolverine to knock him out. Again, has been proven to work in the movies.
T1000 can keep stabbing Wolverine to keep him squirming on the floor and unable to properly fight back. Again, shown to work as shown by Deathstrike.
You on the other hand are making make-believe scenarios for Wolverine to win. Slice up T1000 into many pieces and throw away the parts. I agree that could work, however it's never been proven. Only time T1000 wasn't able to piece back together was due to liquid nitrogen and a stuck hand that was on a moving vehicle.
What's the endgame? I can ask you the same thing. The only sure way to end the T1000 is to throw him in a melting vat or freeze him with liquid nitrogen. The chance of Wolverine doing that to him has about as good a chance as the T1000 tying up Wolverine spread eagled where he'd be helpless. Or throwing him into a car compacter.
Can Wolverine win this match? Of course he can. Especially since he's the hero. But the T1000 has far more options (and easier ones) on how to beat logan as well.
Originally posted by FrothByte
lol. How am I the one not clearly seeing? Everything I have said so far has been based on proof shown in movies where these two guys have been shown. You're the one who keeps making make-up scenarios just so Wolverine can win.T1000 can shoot Wolverine in the head for a knock out. IT HAS BEEN SHOWN IN THE MOVIES. T1000 uses a gun, Wolverine gets knocked out with a head shot.
In fairness, T1000 was a lousy ass shot. All of those rounds fired through the movie and it cant succeed in it's mission by killing anyone it needed to...let alone with a head shot...!!!
It managed to spray one round from a machine pistol into Sarah's leg or something, in the truck helicopter chase but that was about it.
The likeliness of Wolverine who could also block shots with his claws, and would most likely make T1000 miss by being fast on the way in, andhe is fast at closing range real quick too could get to T1000 getting suddenly headshotted miraculously seems fairly unlikely to me.
Whatever it's abilities, marksmenship wasnt one of the stronger ones...
Also it was only shown once to work with a regular bullet in 1 movie. The other was an admantium bullet...and T1000 wouldnt have them.
T1000 can use car to crash into Wolverine to knock him out. Again, has been proven to work in the movies.
T1000 can keep stabbing Wolverine to keep him squirming on the floor and unable to properly fight back. Again, shown to work as shown by Deathstrike.
Deathstrike had admantium too. T1000 doesnt. Anything leveled at Wolverine in attack fashion would simply be cut off.
You on the other hand are making make-believe scenarios for Wolverine to win. Slice up T1000 into many pieces and throw away the parts. I agree that could work, however it's never been proven. Only time T1000 wasn't able to piece back together was due to liquid nitrogen and a stuck hand that was on a moving vehicle.
More hypothesizing really. Hard to avoid in these debates.
If the argument could then not be refuted its a win/likely outcome.
Well the supporting evidence is overwhelming.
The evidence says that weve only seen control from the main mass over the cut off mass at less than a foot away.
What's the endgame? I can ask you the same thing. The only sure way to end the T1000 is to throw him in a melting vat or freeze him with liquid nitrogen. The chance of Wolverine doing that to him has about as good a chance as the T1000 tying up Wolverine spread eagled where he'd be helpless. Or throwing him into a car compacter.
Can Wolverine win this match? Of course he can. Especially since he's the hero. But the T1000 has far more options (and easier ones) on how to beat logan as well.
Well they should be put forward cause right now it looks massively like a wolverine win at basic levels (unarmed rather than with weapons, cars etc) T1000 might need a nuke to get Wolverine.. 😛
Originally posted by RobtardAccurate.
Been some time since I've seen X2; when did Deathstrike "give Wolvy a breather" during their fight?As I recall, it was him being severely outclassed in speed/agility and it was pretty much a stalemate, as they just kept grunting and healing from whatever damage they inflicted on each other. It ended after he stabbed her with the adamantium injectors thereby turning her into a statue.