Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusU mad, bro?
Seriously, the only person who's taken the second worst beating is Gladiator and he's still in intensive care.The entire event lasted what, a week or two in Marvel time? Thor started the event by facing the Phoenix Force who mind you incinerated an entire planets (Also Terrax) by flying through them and was being hype by Alonso and the other "geniuses" at Marvel as being greater than Galactus.
Do you guys know why Thor got his ass kicked by the Phoenix Force so much? It's because he's the most powerful Avenger and the only one who can be justified to do what he did.
Even Hulk with all the love he gets wasn't sent into space because "he was out of his depth" or whatever.
I wish the beatings didn't happen and he got more respect like back in the day but whatever, it's comics.
Originally posted by -Pr-Imo an amped Kalibak would be well above Thor's strength tier, given how easily he owned Orion.
Thor obviously; even amped, I'm not sure Kalibak is in that weight class.Standard Kalibak gets knocked the **** out, though.
I concur with your assessment of standard Kalibak, doh. 👆
Lol, wait...Gladiator is still all beat up and shit?
But, yeah, we're on the same page here. Thor losing to the goddamn Phoenix Force/Avatars in an event where said Force/Avatars are being consistently portrayed as beyond teams of Avengers/X-Men doesn't equate to Kalibak being able to beat him. Using those showings as "low end" for Thor doesn't even make sense, much less as evidence he could be beaten by someone historically less impressive than he.
The only real lower showings from Thor recently is the crap from Avengers Assemble (Baddoon fodder going over him is most certainly and indisputably PIS) and Hulk from AA and "Let the Battle Begin". And Hulk's been getting his jock rode on hardcore by Marvel for a while now and operating at his highest levels since ever. Even then, an exhausted Thor took an amped Green Scar and sent his ass into orbit with one shot.
Originally posted by Starscream M
how is kalibak not in that weight class? the guy is a superman villain
So is Toyman.
And no, Kalibak is a servant of Darkseid. He's a Superman rogue by association, not because they have a rivalry of sorts. He's a herald, sure, but he's not Superman's equal, which is why Superman has completely dominated him more often than not.
Originally posted by Galan007
Imo an amped Kalibak would be well above Thor's strength tier, given how easily he owned Orion.I concur with your assessment of standard Kalibak, doh. 👆
Quiet you.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankstatements like this make you lose credibility jake 😬
And Hulk's been getting his jock rode on hardcore by Marvel for a while now and operating at his highest levels since ever.
I've always said (as shown in my numerous debate battles against rage awhile ago) that marvel always intended hulk to be the more powerful of the two compared to thor...this is not a new phenomenon
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus😂
Lol, f*ck you Galan!But nah, I was annoyed but now I just roll with it.
I've still yet to read any of the AvX garbage. No interest, tbh.
Originally posted by -Pr-And Livewire. And Metallo.
So is Toyman.And no, Kalibak is a servant of Darkseid. He's a Superman rogue by association, not because they have a rivalry of sorts. He's a herald, sure, but he's not Superman's equal, which is why Superman has completely dominated him more often than not.
being a Superman rogue doesn't mean you are equal to Superman by proxy.
Originally posted by -Pr-vin
Quiet you.
Originally posted by Starscream M
yes I do know them, and tbh I haven't been that impressed...I feel that hulk and superman have had more impressive showings in the same span of time
One of Thor's fight's with the Phoenix Force (The one where he clips it's wings) > Anything Hulk or Superman have done power wise recently (Off the top of my head anyways)
Originally posted by Starscream M
statements like this make you lose credibility jake 😬I've always said (as shown in my numerous debate battles against rage awhile ago) that marvel always intended hulk to be the more powerful of the two compared to thor...this is not a new phenomenon
Don't bash.
Originally posted by Galan007
😂I've still yet to read any of the AvX garbage. No interest, tbh.
And Livewire. And Metallo.
being a Superman rogue doesn't mean you are equal to Superman by proxy.
vin
Exactly.
Originally posted by Starscream M
statements like this make you lose credibility jake 😬I've always said (as shown in my numerous debate battles against rage awhile ago) that marvel always intended hulk to be the more powerful of the two compared to thor...this is not a new phenomenon
Let's not bring up whose statements make which one of us lose credibility, dooder.
Stronger, yes. More powerful, no. Consistently, through out their decades long rivalry, Thor has always been able to compete with and yes, most of the time stalemate Hulk or ensure their battles end conclusively. It's only been in this post Pak world that Hulk has been able to clearly dominate Thor in close quarters. I mean, shit, apparently in the Avengers Season 1 trade, Thor takes on Grey and Savage Hulk at the same time and wins. And then there's what happened in Fear Itself.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankJake, you do know you're playing games with life stepping up to Brucie, right? osheet
Let's not bring up whose statements make which one of us lose credibility, dooder.Stronger, yes. More powerful, no. Consistently, through out their decades long rivalry, Thor has always been able to compete with and yes, most of the time stalemate Hulk or ensure their battles end conclusively. It's only been in this post Pak world that Hulk has been able to clearly dominate Thor in close quarters. I mean, shit, apparently in the Avengers Season 1 trade, Thor takes on Grey and Savage Hulk at the same time and wins. And then there's what happened in Fear Itself.