Originally posted by Starscream M
statements like this make you lose credibility jake 😬I've always said (as shown in my numerous debate battles against rage awhile ago) that marvel always intended hulk to be the more powerful of the two compared to thor...this is not a new phenomenon
I am pretty sure that Stan Lee has outright said that he always intended Thor to be Marvel's most powerful mainstream (Has their own title or whatever) superhero, above even Hulk.
I am just saying.
WWH isn't a normal Hulk...not in the least...recent Hulk isn't a normal Hulk. It's obvious he received a major power boost but that doesn't mean Thor is weak or isn't a peer to Superman, that just mean Hulk received an amped from somewhere that I am unaware of. Why is this even being discussed? Both Thor and Hulk are monsters...writers for some strange reason are treating Hulk like a trans level character which I feel safe at saying "will not last forever.".
Originally posted by NemeBrohe may very well have
I am pretty sure that Stan Lee has outright said that he always intended Thor to be Marvel's most powerful mainstream (Has their own title or whatever) superhero, above even Hulk.I am just saying.
but stan lee isn't the same as the current marvel editorial
and he may have changed his stance since making that statement
Originally posted by NemeBro
I am pretty sure that Stan Lee has outright said that he always intended Thor to be Marvel's most powerful mainstream (Has their own title or whatever) superhero, above even Hulk.I am just saying.
He did. And while Lee's intent and statements obviously don't mean much nowadays, you can look at their respective histories as a whole (both their fights with one another and independent of one another) and see how Marvel views them.
Hulk being the strongest man-creature on the planet doesn't detract from Thor being consistently referred to as the Mightiest of Earth's Mightiest Heroes and the fact that he's saved the planet from bigger threats than Hulk has regularly.
Originally posted by carver9
WWH isn't a normal Hulk...not in the least...recent Hulk isn't a normal Hulk. It's obvious he received a major power boost but that doesn't mean Thor is weak or isn't a peer to Superman, that just mean Hulk received an amped from somewhere that I am unaware of. Why is this even being discussed? Both Thor and Hulk are monsters...writers for some strange reason are treating Hulk like a trans level character which I feel safe at saying "will not last forever.".
When Carver is one of the voices of reasons in a thread, you know something's up.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You said "always".Always =/= current.
*****.
Edit: Until he got beaten with the nerf bat, wasn't Doctor Strange the mightiest hero on Earth? To the extent that he was more of a walking plot device than a superhero?
Off-topic, but just curious.
I applaud standing up to the peak human vigilante.
Dr. Strange's best showings are usually due to plot devices and amps. Classic Strange isn't decisively more powerful than the likes of either Surfer or Thor. He could beat either one, sure, but they could likewise beat him as well. That said, I do believe on panel he was referred to as the most powerful being on the planet at least once.
Originally posted by carver9Holy. Crap.
WWH isn't a normal Hulk...not in the least...recent Hulk isn't a normal Hulk. It's obvious he received a major power boost but that doesn't mean Thor is weak or isn't a peer to Superman, that just mean Hulk received an amped from somewhere that I am unaware of. Why is this even being discussed? Both Thor and Hulk are monsters...writers for some strange reason are treating Hulk like a trans level character which I feel safe at saying "will not last forever.".
I'm proud of you, carver. clapclap
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, because Thor getting his ass kicked repeatedly by the Phoenix (And bouncing right back mind you despite the beatings) translates into Kalibak getting wins.Yea, that makes plenty of sense.
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And I noticed people like to harp on the bad showings but forget about the positive ones he's had.
Not only getting one-shot by the P5, Rhino with his Horn or Taurus from Zodiac did it too.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Not only getting one-shot by the P5, Rhino with his Horn or Taurus from Zodiac did it too.
Rhino stabbed him in the heart with the Midgard Serpent's tooth from behind while Thor was owning Electro and the Odinson was fine in a few hours tops. How on Earth do you think that translates into Kailbak winning 3 more fights than usual?
Taurus is the closest thing you've listed to a relevant example but even then that's not enough to justify the sudden drop in Thor's performance. You'd need a dozen showings like that to knock Thor down to the peg you're ranking him at. And for all of Thor's losses, they're nothing compared to the beatings Kalibak has received. And IIRC Thor was beating up Taurus and another member of the Zodiac later.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Rhino stabbed him in the heart with the Midgard Serpent's tooth from behind while Thor was owning Electro and the Odinson was fine in a few hours tops. How on Earth do you think that translates into Kailbak winning 3 more fights than usual?Taurus is the closest thing you've listed to a relevant example but even then that's not enough to justify the sudden drop in Thor's performance. You'd need a dozen showings like that to knock Thor down to the peg you're ranking him at. And for all of Thor's losses, they're nothing compared to the beatings Kalibak has received. And IIRC Thor was beating up Taurus and another member of the Zodiac later.
I gave Thor the win in this thread 7-8/10. If that's not enough to you ok, my reasoning is Thor getting too often koed since some months. At least we agree on Taurus, so that would warrant an 9/10 in you opinion?
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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I gave Thor the win in this thread 7-8/10. If that's not enough to you ok, my reasoning is Thor getting too often koed since some months. At least we agree on Taurus, so that would warrant an 9/10 in you opinion?^^
Based on that examples you're listing, you're reasoning is wrong. Being stabbed in the heart by an amped Rhino from behind, owned by the Phoenix Force etc. in no actual way translates to Kalibak getting a win.
Nope, not good enough.