Originally posted by zopzop
Not all but a huge amount of them are outright PIS/CIS and/or writer protection. His fight vs Cyclops is yet another example. Why not shoot off a "mega optic blast" instead of a measly one EXACTLY within Cap's shield range to block? 🙄But back on topic, without comic book shenanigans Cap's not winning even one fight.
Why doesn't Cap behead people with shield throws when he's more than capable of doing so? Why doesn't Hulk just instantly get as angry as he needs to be to accomplish any task or easily defeat any threat? Why doesn't Thor just hurl Mjolnir at speeds exceeding the speed of light and instantly rendering people KO'd if not dead?
Comics are like that. Doesn't invalidate fights or feats and it's not one character's fault another doesn't use a method that the readers would like to see on panel.
If you're going to discount the majority of Cap's feats and fights with more impressive people than who Creeper has thrown down with as "comic book shenanigans", then, yeah, it'll be hard to make an argument for Cap to win.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why doesn't Cap behead people with shield throws when he's more than capable of doing so? Why doesn't Hulk just instantly get as angry as he needs to be to accomplish any task or easily defeat any threat? Why doesn't Thor just hurl Mjolnir at speeds exceeding the speed of light and instantly rendering people KO'd if not dead?Comics are like that. Doesn't invalidate fights or feats and it's not one character's fault another doesn't use a method that the readers would like to see on panel.
If you're going to discount the majority of Cap's feats and fights with more impressive people than who Creeper has thrown down with as "comic book shenanigans", then, yeah, it'll be hard to make an argument for Cap to win.
Cap is simply outclassed.
Originally posted by Damborgson
@ahbi depends which comic you read. One shows Rachel dropping Thor with a psychic hammer, the other shows rachel blasting Thor then Namor joins but Thor is still conscious and fighting.
Originally posted by zopzop
But that's the thing, this is a FORUM FIGHT, not a comic book one. Creeper with Hell upgrade is simply too much for Captain America, if both characters are using their abilities at their best.Cap is simply outclassed.
Cap using his abilities to his best does shit other "streets" only dream of, though.
Creeper certainly isn't beyond Cap's means to harm.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cap using his abilities to his best does shit other "streets" only dream of, though.Creeper certainly isn't beyond Cap's means to harm.
Maybe you missed it but like I pointed out, his "laugh" doesn't merely cause psychological/spiritual distress, it actually causes PHYSICAL damage :
Originally posted by zopzop
PIS/CIS off Cap would be caught and strangled by Creepers mane. It held and KOed a brick meta almost instantly. This isn't even taking into account his durability, excellent healing factor, super strength, maneuverability, and "laugh".Maybe you missed it but like I pointed out, his "laugh" doesn't merely cause psychological/spiritual distress, it actually causes PHYSICAL damage :
You are aware of Cap's physical attributes and the feats he's accomplished with them, yes?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Much more agile and faster?Can you prove that?
I'd peg Creeper around Spider-Man level in the agile department, even without the amp. I haven't seen Cap do the moves Creeper has pulled off. Creeper has healing and powers on his side, not to mention enhanced strength and speed. Cap isn't stomping.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You are aware of Cap's physical attributes and the feats he's accomplished with them, yes?
Originally posted by zopzop
I don't know about agile and faster but Creeper is definitely more maneuverable. He can leap many stories high and cling to walls that PLUS his superhuman agility means he can dance around Cap all day if he wanted to.
Opposed to Cap's own agility and speed and the shield's ranged capabilities, I really don't see Creeper dancing around Steve indefinitely.
Originally posted by zopzop
You're aware that the laugh is a "free" attack and while Cap is attempting to resist it's physical/psychological effects, he'd be getting pounded on and or grappled/strangled by Creeper's mane right?
Considering Cap's retarded levels of psychological and physical pain tolerance/willpower, I'm not seeing it as the game changer you seem to be. And it's not like Cap can't defend himself even while being assailed in such a manner.
That's without factoring in the fact that Cap has used the shield to defend against Klaw's sound based offenses before to great effect, as much sense as that makes.
