JLA Battle Royal.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/fc994039.jpg

Hal intended a green construct to bait superman in thinking it was a piece of kryptonite, instead of creating it. As for those kyle scans, kyle's ring was special from begining and here hal wouldn't have batman to provide the chemical composition of artificial kryptonite and j'onn to relay it in his mind.

No where in that monologue does it say the Kyrptonite is fake. It simply says that the Kryptonite is the bait to make him feel fear - and then make those fears real in his mind. Drowning him in fear makes him even more ineffective than simply using kryptonite.

Hell, it says Superman knows the ring can do this - so he would take precautions against real kryptonite. "Wrap his fist with his cape".

You just used evidence to prove the opposite of your point.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
No where in that monologue does it say the Kyrptonite is fake. It simply says that the Kryptonite is the bait to make him feel fear - and then make those fears real. Drowning him in fear makes him even more ineffective than simply using kryptonite.

Hell, it says Superman knows the ring can do this - so he would take precautions against real kryptonite. "Wrap his fist with his cape".

You just used evidence to prove the opposite of your point.

Beat me to it lol

Originally posted by Blair Wind
No where in that monologue does it say the Kyrptonite is fake. It simply says that the Kryptonite is the bait to make him feel fear - and then make those fears real in his mind. Drowning him in fear makes him even more ineffective than simply using kryptonite.

Hell, it says Superman knows the ring can do this - so he would take precautions against real kryptonite. "Wrap his fist with his cape".

You just used evidence to prove the opposite of your point.

Oh and Kalmaaku was powered by a portion of guardians' powers there, not given hal's ring. Nothing he did there is admissable for hal.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It did and marty actually created a green construct to lure superman in that bait, if hal was capable of creating kryptonite he would've simply said "create kryptonite and beat superman" not going to such elaborate plans. So you're saying that if classic hal created kryptonite, all superman has to do to counter that is "to wrap his fist in his cape"? Lulz, epic lulz.

Maybe because Hal wants to beat superman, not kill him?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It did and marty actually created a green construct to lure superman in that bait, if hal was capable of creating kryptonite he would've simply said "create kryptonite and beat superman" not going to such elaborate plans. So you're saying that if classic hal created kryptonite, all superman has to do to counter that is "to wrap his fist in his cape"? Lulz, epic lulz.

I never said it made sense as to why Hal would think Clark would do that (does the cape protect against attacks in other ways?) - but you are dead wrong on how you are interpreting it. It's not an opinion, you are just flat out wrong. It never says or implies that it is fake. That's your own desires imposed on the scene.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Maybe because Hal wants to beat superman, not kill him?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh and Kalmaaku was powered by a portion of guardians' powers there, not given hal's ring. Nothing he did there is admissable for hal.

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That's hilarious. Ode asks for a scan proving he can't, you give him one, we call you out on it, and then it's no longer admissible anyways according to you.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I never said it made sense as to why Hal would think Clark would do that (does the cape protect against attacks in other ways?)

I'm not sure if Superman's cape ever protected against radiation specifically, but the clothing both he and his cousin Supergirl wore were effective and life-saving proof in the past against heat, cold, and projectile attacks, and the 2 used their capes to guard themselves and others numerous times.

It might be worthwhile to point out that we HAVE seen capes capable of blocking Kryptonite radiations in the comics in the past in Justice Leagues books, by the way. Hopefully, the following attachment will appear large enough to illustrate:

Originally posted by Odekahn
Maybe because Hal wants to beat superman, not kill him?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I never said it made sense as to why Hal would think Clark would do that (does the cape protect against attacks in other ways?) - but you are dead wrong on how you are interpreting it. It's not an opinion, you are just flat out wrong. It never says or implies that it is fake. That's your own desires imposed on the scene.

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That's hilarious. Ode asks for a scan proving he can't, you give him one, we call you out on it, and then it's no longer admissible anyways according to you.

I already mentioned that kalmaaku was powered by guardians' power.

Also lulz @blue's hilarious use of elseworld scans where batwoman's lead lined cape protects superwoman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hal's comment was in reference to the yellow shield which would've stopped hal from affecting his fist, but its a laughable to argue that it would've stopped kryptonite radiation. How about you give something other than your opinion, we saw hal deploying elaborate plans to beat superman, we saw a more powerful version of a GL creating green constructs to make superman believe that it was kryptonite and exploiting indirect fear of it. None of that indicates hal can create kryptonite.

I already mentioned that kalmaaku was powered by guardians' power

You are again imposing your opinion of the limitations of a GL ring. Before Johns, GL's could do and create anything they wanted as long as they could will it.

Here is the dialogue:

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"It would be our duty to use any means necessary to stop him. I've been doing studying - and I think I've figured it out. In some ways, it was sort of easy....After all, it IS green. Kryptonite is the key.

Problem is, he knows I can do this. He'd be ready to counter. He'd wrap his fist with his cape, or some such thing -- But still, Superman is afraid of Kryptonite. Really afraid of it. He can't stop those split-second feelings. So I'd turn that into a weapon. The kryptonite [notice he doesn't say construct or fake -BW] is bait to pull out his fear...the ring does the rest.

In an instant, he'd be swarmed over by the things he feared most. Probably wouldn't make sense to anyone watching. But to him, it would be his nightmares given form...it would be horrible."

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No where does it say construct, fake, or even just a green rock. He says kryptonite.

Btw, we have a precedent for fake K-nite....

Protex and the White Martians tried it. As soon as Superman realised it was fake, he tore them a new one.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Kryptonite is the bait to make him feel fear - and then make those fears real in his mind. Drowning him in fear makes him even more ineffective than simply using kryptonite.

it says Superman knows the ring can do this -

Besides in the scan shown before, this theory is proven in Grant Morrison's first Justice League story arc "New World Order".

Scan 1 of 3.

Yah, and then he realised it was fake, then went to town on them. Even gave them a fighting chance by not using his heat vision.

And I wager White Martians' telepathic illusions are >> GL's attempts to fake K-nite.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yah, and then he realised it was fake, then went to town on them. Even gave them a fighting chance by not using his heat vision.

And I wager White Martians' telepathic illusions are >> GL's attempts to fake K-nite.

Several problems you're not stopping to think about, Adkal.

1. Superman did NOT realize the Kryptonite was fake in that particular encounter.

Protex laid him out, as my attachment at the end of this message shows.

He would stay out of commision for the following issue.

He would stay out of commision for a good portion of the issue that followed that one as well.

2. Superman did not fight "them". He fought 1 person. He fought Protex. It was actually Batman and Martian Manhunter who took down the rest of Hyperclan.

3. Superman isn't fighting Hal Jordan alone. He's fighting a JLA rumble royal line-up that includes ... Martian Manhunter. Who has the same ability to transmit telepathic illusion as Protex did -- and knows more about Superman and his fears.

It also includes Captain Atom, who I'm less familiar with, but I'm pretty sure can use red sun radiation.

Scan 3 of 3. Protex of the Hyperclan, having brought Superman low with the mere ILLUSION of Kryptonite, drags him away...

JLA, New World Order.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You are again imposing your opinion of the limitations of a GL ring. Before Johns, GL's could do and create anything they wanted as long as they could will it.

Here is the dialogue:

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"It would be our duty to use any means necessary to stop him. I've been doing studying - and I think I've figured it out. In some ways, it was sort of easy....After all, it IS green. Kryptonite is the key.

[b]Problem is, he knows I can do this. He'd be ready to counter. He'd wrap his fist with his cape, or some such thing -- But still, Superman is afraid of Kryptonite. Really afraid of it. He can't stop those split-second feelings. So I'd turn that into a weapon. The kryptonite [notice he doesn't say construct or fake -BW] is bait to pull out his fear...the ring does the rest.

In an instant, he'd be swarmed over by the things he feared most. Probably wouldn't make sense to anyone watching. But to him, it would be his nightmares given form...it would be horrible."

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No where does it say construct, fake, or even just a green rock. He says kryptonite. [/B]

Illusion? That's different than Hal actually creating Kryptonite with his ring. It's just an illusion.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Several problems you're not stopping to think about, Adkal.

1. Superman did NOT realize the Kryptonite was fake in that particular encounter.

Protex laid him out, as my attachment at the end of this message shows.

He would stay out of commision for the following issue.

He would stay out of commision for a good portion of the issue that [b]followed that one as well.

2. Superman did not fight "them". He fought 1 person. He fought Protex. It was actually Batman and Martian Manhunter who took down the rest of Hyperclan.

3. Superman isn't fighting Hal Jordan alone. He's fighting a JLA rumble royal line-up that includes ... Martian Manhunter. Who has the same ability to transmit telepathic illusion as Protex did -- and knows more about Superman and his fears. [/B]

Several problems you're not stopping to think about:

1. Did Superman realise it was fake in that storyline?
2. Based on their weakness to fire (as seen when normal humans with matches were driving them off), could Superman, ina royal rumble, with all his powers, replicate Batman's feat when all he used was gasoline?
3. I was supporting Abhi, and we were discussing GL. I have already given it to MM, check the very first page of this thread. I gave it to...Martian Manhunter. Who has the same ability to transmit telepathic illusion as Protex did -- and knows more about Superman and his fears.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They needed the exact configuration of the element before Johns.

He doesn't need to say it out loud "Hey guys, I'm going to pull fears from superman's mind by baiting him with fake kryptonite because if I created real kryptonite, he'd wrap his fist or umm... do something to counter it". That'd be idiotic to say, hal knew that he couldn't make the real kryptonite but superman didn't know that . Kyle didn't need pulling dreams or whatever to nearly kill a sunamped superman in moments.

Wow, that's a giant stretch and the link you provided doesn't say that. It was clear what's happening and you turn around and say "we'll what it really means is this..." It's desperate.