Disney acquires Lucasfilm; Episode VII proposed for 2015

Originally posted by Nephthys
DARTH POWER, who incidentally was wrong, since only the fifth Star Trek movie blew. 4 and 6 were pretty good.

All the TNG movies are bulbous throbbing pustules though.

4 was good. 6 was Ok. But come on comparing Star Trek 6 to ROTS?? Really??

My point was a valid one. If we look at the history of the 4th, 5th and 6th films of any big/epic franchise (heck many don't even make it to no.3 before they seriously c**k up), then it becomes clear the Expectations for the Prequels were wayyy too high. And all the hate to Lucas for creating them is well over the top.

It's why Trilogies are so popular nowadays. Film makers know the chances of the success lasting beyond a Trilogy are very very low.

Oh and btw, I'm Never Wrong!

why dont you make a thread about it then?

"why the PT does NOT suck"

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
4 was good. 6 was Ok. But come on comparing Star Trek 6 to ROTS?? Really??

My point was a valid one. If we look at the history of the 4th, 5th and 6th films of any big/epic franchise (heck many don't even make it to no.3 before they seriously c**k up), then it becomes clear the Expectations for the Prequels were wayyy too high. And all the hate to Lucas for creating them is well over the top.

It's why Trilogies are so popular nowadays. Film makers know the chances of the success lasting beyond a Trilogy are very very low.

Oh and btw, I'm Never Wrong!

Yes, ST6 is superior to ROTS.

These movies were not bad because Lucas stretched out the series longer than it could manage. These were prequels, with new characters in a self-contained story. The characters were new, the setting was new and the plot was new. Theres no reason why the prequels should have been bad just because they were the 4th, 5th and 6th movies in a franchise. And it isn't as if Lucas had burnt out give the large break between trilogies and you can't blame a smaller budget either. And as I've pointed out he was creatively free to do whatever he wanted to do and had none of teh issues that plague lengthy series'. Theres no reason why people shouldn't have had high expectations here.

Also Harry Potter. Pwned.

Originally posted by Nephthys

These movies were not bad because Lucas stretched out the series longer than it could manage. These were prequels, with new characters in a self-contained story. The characters were new, the setting was new and the plot was new. Theres no reason why the prequels should have been bad just because they were the 4th, 5th and 6th movies in a franchise. And it isn't as if Lucas had burnt out give the large break between trilogies [b]and you can't blame a smaller budget either. And as I've pointed out he was creatively free to do whatever he wanted to do and had none of teh issues that plague lengthy series'. Theres no reason why people shouldn't have had high expectations here. [/B]

Firstly I enjoyed the Prequels, so I'm not making excuses for them to be bad.

I'm saying that in comparison to most other long series SW has performed much much better.

I never mentioned budgets.

And I see your trying to pull off that the Prequels were basically a reboot. Well no, I'm not having that. Many main characters were a central part to both trilogies (Obi-Wan, Yoda, Palpatine, C-3PO, R2-D2), but aside from that the main thing was the story had to end where ANH picked up. It's a continuing story.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also Harry Potter. Pwned.

Yes that's a good example to point out. (Although I've personally found a few of them long winded and boring.)

But it really is a one off. The historical expectation is for later movies not to be anywhere near as good as the Originals.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, ST6 is superior to ROTS.

Dude that's just crazy talk.

ST VI is one of those good films that should never have happened- by all logic, V should have killed the film franchise forever, leaving TNG (still not fully in its stride) to try and keep the whole thing on life support. But there you go- goes to prove that having another go after a disaster can work after all.

But then again... Highlander... gah...

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Anyway, whilst I see what DP is getting at, I think he's looking at franchises that were extended far beyond their natural life span, which was often just one movie, or two tops (this is often the case with horror franchises, for example).

It's different when you actually have a continuous story to tell, or are set in a world where new stories are always available. In essence, I agree with Nephthys- any problems with the PT can't be excused on grounds of being deep into the franchise. It had all the opportunities it needed in that regard.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
by all logic, V should have killed the film franchise forever

thats the power of a strong fanbase.

this is why i never write off unwavering fanboys as useless...just irritating.

Nicolas Myer did Star Trek 2 and 6 those are 2 of the best star trek movies!
TNG only had first contact, all the rest TNG were absolute crap.

The writer from ESB will write one of the sequels and produce them that is good news!

rick mccallum is retired

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-bits-longtime-lucasfilm-producer-rick-mccallum-retires-plus-jon-favreau-derek-jacobi-carrie-fisher/

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Was he some kind of a jerk?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, ST6 is superior to ROTS.

These movies were not bad because Lucas stretched out the series longer than it could manage. These were prequels, with new characters in a self-contained story. The characters were new, the setting was new and the plot was new. Theres no reason why the prequels should have been bad just because they were the 4th, 5th and 6th movies in a franchise. And it isn't as if Lucas had burnt out give the large break between trilogies [b]and you can't blame a smaller budget either. And as I've pointed out he was creatively free to do whatever he wanted to do and had none of teh issues that plague lengthy series'. Theres no reason why people shouldn't have had high expectations here.

Also Harry Potter. Pwned. [/B]

You've got it totally backwards. Star Trek is the franchise that got totally stretched out, before they eventually pulled the reboot. While from the beginning, George Lucas had more background material laid out for his saga that could be possibly contained in one film, or one trilogy.

The Star Trek films are good, and some are even great; the only ones that get a total thumbs down from me are numbers 5, 9 & 10. But even the best ones fall below the mythical status of the Star Wars OT.

there it is again. the myth that the OT was some unrepeatable fluke. come up with as many excuses as you want, but the reason that other franchises remained successful even despite the occasional dud was that they STUCK TO THE FORMULA.

i have renewed confidence now that the formula might be repeated. i only hope that GL's role is not completely diminished and that he can be a respected part of the creative process. if not then it will suck. maybe not as much as the PT though.

That sounds rather contradictory.

Originally posted by queeq
That sounds rather contradictory.

please elaborate

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lets not get hasty. The prequels sucked ass but they never so utterly disrespected the franchise like Generations did, or were as much of a mess as Final Frontier and Nemesis. Nor were there ever characters as infuriating as the Ba'ku in Insurrection.

Although I do agree with you on general principle.

Everything that makes a film enjoyable-- interesting and well acted characters, a well written and dynamic story, timing, pacing, atmosphere, emotion, humor, creative visuals, cool action scenes-- is all missing from the PT. God bless Christensen and McDiarmid for trying to add a little passion to their characters. There's little-to-no emotion from anyone else, an obnoxiously obscene amount of intrusive CGI, a lacking in any semblance of even accidental humor, and the general atmosphere is one of blasé, uncaring, indifference. There's one or two cool action scenes per movie, but they're few and far between. The only thing I think they got right with those films is the music. It's the only element of the PT that I think matches the Originals in quality.

But no matter what a film does or does not have in it, I at least want to be entertained in some way, and Lord almighty I am not entertained by these films. And don't misread me, I'm not some die hard who just wants to hate the Prequels, but I genuinely can't think of much that's good about them.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
rick mccallum is retired

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-bits-longtime-lucasfilm-producer-rick-mccallum-retires-plus-jon-favreau-derek-jacobi-carrie-fisher/

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People just want to take this hate against George Lucas to their graves, it seems. They're hardwired now. The sun comes up, and fresh rants about the PT come up with it.

Hate George Lucas? The man conceived of the idea that created one of the best Sci-fi sagas in film history. No matter his f*ck-ups later on, he always has that achievement to his name. How can anyone "hate" him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbTYiX5A3Bk#t=01m10s

Interesting...

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Hate George Lucas? The man conceived of the idea that created one of the best Sci-fi sagas in film history. No matter his f*ck-ups later on, he always has that achievement to his name. How can anyone "hate" him?

Im puzzled by the overuse of that term these days too. Its not a word that seems to fit. Yet In the eyes of some people there is no difference between critiquing a man's work and "hating" the man himself. If some were to say "I hated that Hurricane today" others would hysterically scream that they are a heretic for somehow now hating all weathers and nature.. demanding that they be burned.

They seem to struggle with the concept of loving something and being able to see the poor parts of it.
It seems necessary for them to black or white it when the saga like life, is more complicated than that.

We all love starwars. We might hate parts of it, or the way parts of it was done, or maybe the changes that were made to things we loved for years prior.
But we stick to the parts we like. Im very OT like that.

But to automatically decry/dismiss anyone with a less than 100% positive-spin review of any part of the saga as a hater of it or it's creator is childish, stupid and dangerous.

I think the OT was one of the best things I've seen/heard.
I think PT was half assed, at times.. a wasted opportunity and paced nightmarishly slow for the most part. The acting was unconvincing from certain main characters and mostly everything felt souless and digital.
Loved a lot about Revenge of the Sith though.
But I'll always love the OT til the day I die.
And I hope that Lucas can comeback to deliver truly epic Star Wars once more. Gota keep the faith.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
but the reason that other franchises remained successful even despite the occasional dud

Which franchises? Short of a complete reboot most of them start to suck by the third! Let alone 4th, 5th or 6th in a row.

In comparison I think SW as a continuous story has done far far better than most of the other great franchises.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Im puzzled by the overuse of that term these days too. Its not a word that seems to fit. Yet In the eyes of some people there is no difference between critiquing a man's work and "hating" the man himself. If some were to say "I hated that Hurricane today" others would hysterically scream that they are a heretic for somehow now hating all weathers and nature.. demanding that they be burned.

Yeah but if you didn't like his later work, you would just say that. End of. A lot of people hated Star Trek TNG, and only loved the Original.

Did Rodenberry get anywhere near the hate that Lucas gets? Nope.

But people continually trash Lucas for the PT, the CW Series, giving money to charity even! He just can't move without someone trashing him nowadays. And a lot of it comes from supposed "beloved fans" of the OT!

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Im puzzled by the overuse of that term these days too.

I really hate that.