Superman Vs Blue Marvel, Wonderman, Red Hulk

Started by -Pr-7 pages
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Pretty much. So who wins? 😮

It wouldn't be the first time Superman has beaten a team of heralds, so he can do it. It just won't be easy either way, especially with Simon's recent push.

Superman for a majority. Just OWAW mindset of FC is needed.

Blue Marvel isn't a Superman clone.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Blue Marvel isn't a Superman clone.

He is and he isn't. 😮

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He is and he isn't. 😮

His back story is nothing at all like Superman. Neither is his personality or skill set. His array of powers is based around anti-matter. He flies, is strong, and has/had a cape. If that's all it takes to be labeled a Superman clone...el oh el, I guess.

Hyperion, Gladiator, and Sentry are closer to being clones than Blue Marvel is.

Yeah I agree with Jake on that. Kallark, Hype, Majestic etc are definitely archetypes but not Adam imo. But then again where does someone like Icon fit in? He has a different power set then Supes but is still considered an archetype.

Considering no clone has the same personality as superman and the basic nature of their power is different than superman(Gladiator😛sychic, Hyperion:nuclear, Majestic:inherent, Sentry:Too conflicting etc), its lolworthy to think that just because BM gets his powers from anti-matter and has a distinct personality, he isn't an expy. But jake is a captain marvel fan, so I can get where he is getting this from.😛

Originally posted by abhilegend
Considering no clone has the same personality as superman and the basic nature of their power is different than superman(Gladiator😛sychic, Hyperion:nuclear, Majestic:inherent, Sentry:Too conflicting etc), its lolworthy to think that just because BM gets his powers from anti-matter and has a distinct personality, he isn't an expy. But jake is a captain marvel fan, so I can get where he is getting this from.😛

Dafuq?

Gladiator is a direct homage to Superman, and by extension of the Imperial Guard, the Legion of Superheroes.

Hyperion is a direct homage to Superman, and by extension of the Squadron Supreme, the JLA.

Sentry is a solar based/themed hero designed to be the "ultimate hero" in the Marvel Universe, much like Superman is in the DCU.

Majestic is pretty goddamn obvious.

What the hell kind of homage is Blue Marvel supposed to be? Hell, all of those other clones have mirrored power sets, even if their sources are different (hyper senses, heat/laser vision, etc).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Considering no clone has the same personality as superman and the basic nature of their power is different than superman(Gladiator😛sychic, Hyperion:nuclear, Majestic:inherent, Sentry:Too conflicting etc), its lolworthy to think that just because BM gets his powers from anti-matter and has a distinct personality, he isn't an expy. But jake is a captain marvel fan, so I can get where he is getting this from.😛

The nature of how their powers work may vary but generally the power sets are the same or similar. Super breath, heat vision, invulnerability, super strength, heat/laser vision, weaknesses to specific wavelengths of radiation, enhanced ocular abilities etc. Hyperion and Glads are blatant Superman types. I wouldn't consider Adam that just because he flies and is really strong. But each his own brother.

the OP says "but willing to injure extensively for the KO."
does that mean LOEB force Rulk?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Pre-reboot AND DCNU feats? Really?
Originally posted by 8swords
the OP says "but willing to injure extensively for the KO."
does that mean LOEB force Rulk?

Like it or not, we consider the history of each character.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Dafuq?

Gladiator is a direct homage to Superman, and by extension of the Imperial Guard, the Legion of Superheroes.

Hyperion is a direct homage to Superman, and by extension of the Squadron Supreme, the JLA.

Sentry is a solar based/themed hero designed to be the "ultimate hero" in the Marvel Universe, much like Superman is in the DCU.

Majestic is pretty goddamn obvious.

What the hell kind of homage is Blue Marvel supposed to be? Hell, all of those other clones have mirrored power sets, even if their sources are different (hyper senses, heat/laser vision, etc).


Not being a homage to something doesn't make an expy a non-expy. A character who has strength proportionate to a bug, can stick to walls, has bug-sense, and some random ill-defined powers thrown in the mix with the name Bug Adam is a spiderman expy even if he's a villain or is black. Blue marvel has strength, speed, flight, invulnerability and some anti-matter powers, his entire character revolves around "What if a Super-black-man was active in a racist 1962 USA" and he's not a superman expy? Heat vision, freeze breath, x-ray vision, whatever-vision, and shit aren't the primary powers of superman, an expy not having them doesn't excuse it from being an expy. Its not a wrong thing to be based upon superman, I don't know why people get upset over that.

Originally posted by dmills
The nature of how their powers work may vary but generally the power sets are the same or similar. Super breath, heat vision, invulnerability, super strength, heat/laser vision, weaknesses to specific wavelengths of radiation, enhanced ocular abilities etc. Hyperion and Glads are blatant Superman types. I wouldn't consider Adam that just because he flies and is really strong. But each his own brother.

These powers and traits aren't necessary to a superman archtype. The primary powers of a superman archtype are strength, speed, flight and invulnerability.

Originally posted by abhilegend
These powers and traits aren't necessary to a superman archtype. The primary powers of a superman archtype are strength, speed, flight and invulnerability.

That's a pretty narrow definition brother. By those parameters every dude that's strong, invulnerable yet can't fly is a Hulk archetype.

Originally posted by dmills
That's a pretty narrow definition brother. By those parameters every dude that's strong, invulnerable yet can't fly is a Hulk archetype.

No. Hulk by day one has the ability to get stronger by getting mad and is itself an expy of Solomon Grundy and Mr. Hyde. If a character is strong, invulnerable, can get stronger via his happiness then he is an expy of hulk. An expy=/=a blatant clone.

Kallark.....Kal.....CLARK?!?!!?!? D:

team easily..

Easily?

I dont get it.

Superman can beat this team but in my thread black adam cannot beat a team of Blue Marvel & Sentry 😐

Originally posted by abhilegend
Easily?

yup..this team would beat any herald in Supes class like Thor or Surfer easily..