Superman Vs Blue Marvel, Wonderman, Red Hulk · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
Being me doesn't have anything to do with this.

Oh you!
You are clearly ignoring who BM is. Any guy that can physically one shot Sentry with a single punch and launch him past planets isn't to be taken lightly.
He flash koed sentry who later beat his ass down. Who is taking him lightly?
This doesn't include the fact that he was going against the entire Avengers roster before this.
Just like a young namor just a few months ago. How impressive!
Then he ripped through Antman, someone that also beasted the Avengers.
Anti-man beat his ass down in their first fight and knocked him out. He later absorbed Anti-man's energy IIRC.
You are insane to think any Herald wouldnt lose to BM.
Lulz.
The thing you fail to realize is...Superman can not afford any time engaging BM in a long fight (which he doesn't have a choice since, well, BM have the fts proving that he can hang/defeat Heralds)
He isn't going to be because it isn't a long fight.
because that leaves an open door for Red Hulk and Wonderman to throw in some licks, which again, Superman can NOT afford this because he is already engaging someone that one shot/flash koed Sentry, he is also going against two other class 100.
This isn't a slugfest. Nothing stops superman from blitzing them after he gets the idea how tough these guys are.

Superman isn't fighting some idiots here. He is fighting some powerful but yet smart, tactical beings...and one of those beings can toss pieces of metal hard enough to destroy a moon.

Superman hit a ball while holding back which would have split the moon in half if he wasn't holding back.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by Slaanesh
u really think Supes can take on all three and win in a forum match??

Considering the people he's gone up against before, and the fact that he's able to call on feats from both before and after the reboot, yes.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The Million Dollar Dream is a potent submission finisher.

😂

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Slaanesh
give me an example of this "anybody"..
YOU think it's nonsense..and like i said..i don't care what YOU think when it comes to Supes..

Domino.

Its nonsense, so I called you upon it. I didn't add IMO here.

Slaanesh The forces of Chaos

Originally posted by -Pr-
Considering the people he's gone up against before, and the fact that he's able to call on feats from both before and after the reboot, yes.

ok..just wanted to know your opinion..

carver9 Senior Member

@ABHI...

Sentry dived bomb him from the moon...while he was fighting the other Avengers. Sentry didn't knock him out either...the Avengers (including Sentry) contained him. Lol @ you trying to use Sentry defeating someone as a low showing...hahahaha.

When did Namor take on a team of high metas a 2 low Heralds and a High Herald and was winning? Scans.

He defeated Antman, which is my point.

Lol @ this not being a long fight. Something is clearly wrong with you.

Learn what "in character" mean. He isn't one shotting anyone here either.

I guess that proves Superman and Blue Marvel are in the same tier which gives me enough reason to believe this team wins against any Herald.

Slaanesh The forces of Chaos

Originally posted by abhilegend
Domino.
Its nonsense, so I called you upon it. I didn't add IMO here.

Rulk never fought Domino..Domino run away the moment Rulk saw her..are u making things up??

u don't need to add IMO for it to be just your opinion..

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Scans of Superman breaking out of the Million Dollar Dream.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by dmills
A few things:
1) You know I don't know all these fancy words. What the heck is expy and =/= mean? 😂

Learn grampa, learn
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Expy
=/= means not equal to, silly.
2) So hold on now. You took Supes most generic traits eg; flight, strength, invulnerability and strength and said that anyone who displays those traits can be considered a Supes archetype but then dismissed the notion that strong invulnerable dudes that can't fly, aka bricks, aren't analogous to the Hulk because of a lack of his most distinctive characteristic, emotion/anger based strength? Why the seeming lack of consistent criteria here?
Because those were the traits superman possesed in beginning and was the first to come in the medium. Hulk wasn't the first brick type character, what made him hulk was his most notable "madder, stronger" dynamic. If we're trying to say if Luke cage is an expy of hulk, it'd be wrong because hulk as a simple brick is an expy himself.
3) If flight, strength, invulnerability, strength are all it takes to be classified as Supes archetypes then by that standard even someone like Classic Nova would be considered one as well since those were exactly his powers at the beginning.
Definitely.

But according to Marv Wolfman, it was Spiderman that was mostly the template, along with his own original ideas.

Being a template doesn't mean its not an archtype. Fun fact😖tan lee used golden age superman as a template for spidey hence the daily bugle/daily star, red-blue dress and many things like these are similar to both of them.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Rulk never fought Domino..Domino run away the moment Rulk saw her..are u making things up??
u don't need to add IMO for it to be just your opinion..

He lost to domino in AvX vs 6.

Not when they are facts like in this case.

Badabing Gym rat

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Not many people can resist the Million Dollar Dream hold. Clearly Simon has been watching "Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase matches.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The Million Dollar Dream is a potent submission finisher.

That is awesome. 😂

Slaanesh The forces of Chaos

Originally posted by abhilegend
He lost to domino in AvX vs 6.
Not when they are facts like in this case.

lol..did u even read that..u seriously using that..thats not even canon..

get over yourself..what u think is not fact 😐

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI...
Sentry dived bomb him from the moon...while he was fighting the other Avengers. Sentry didn't knock him out either...the Avengers (including Sentry) contained him. Lol @ you trying to use Sentry defeating someone as a low showing...hahahaha.
When did Namor take on a team of high metas a 2 low Heralds and a High Herald and was winning? Scans.
He defeated Antman, which is my point.
Lol @ this not being a long fight. Something is clearly wrong with you.
Learn what "in character" mean. He isn't one shotting anyone here either.
I guess that proves Superman and Blue Marvel are in the same tier which gives me enough reason to believe this team wins against any Herald.

No, they aren't in the same tier. Don't be silly.

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Abhi, stop bashing.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI...
Sentry dived bomb him from the moon...while he was fighting the other Avengers. Sentry didn't knock him out either...the Avengers (including Sentry) contained him. Lol @ you trying to use Sentry defeating someone as a low showing...hahahaha.
When did Namor take on a team of high metas a 2 low Heralds and a High Herald and was winning? Scans.
He defeated Antman, which is my point.
Lol @ this not being a long fight. Something is clearly wrong with you.
Learn what "in character" mean. He isn't one shotting anyone here either.
I guess that proves Superman and Blue Marvel are in the same tier which gives me enough reason to believe this team wins against any Herald.

Your point is? He beat BM's ass down in a few panels and he didn't dive bomb from moon, just from orbit. Cyborg superman with rings dive bombed superman from moon and Kal shrugged it off.

At that time as shown, yes. Bob persona sentry was weaksauce.

Avengers/Invaders, he twoshotted sentry, curbstomped Ares/Wonder Man and was casually beating Iron man.

That tactic wouldn't work here.

When did I say its a oneshot? Its not a long fight anyway.

Except for BM its an outlier and for superman an average feat.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Slaanesh
lol..did u even read that..u seriously using that..thats not even canon..
get over yourself..what u think is not fact 😐

And why is it non-canon? I didn't saw a what if logo on it.

In this topic it is.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Rulk and Domino isn't canon, iirc.

Slaanesh The forces of Chaos

Originally posted by abhilegend
And why is it non-canon? I didn't saw a what if logo on it.
In this topic it is.

it's not cannon..PR confirm it..and if u actually read it..u would know..so let it go..now..back to the example..do u have any other??

sure bro..whatever makes u happy 🙂

dmills Centurion Prime

Originally posted by abhilegend
Learn grampa, learn
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Expy
=/= means not equal to, silly.
Because those were the traits superman possesed in beginning and was the first to come in the medium. Hulk wasn't the first brick type character, what made him hulk was his most notable "madder, stronger" dynamic. If we're trying to say if Luke cage is an expy of hulk, it'd be wrong because hulk as a simple brick is an expy himself.
Definitely. Being a template doesn't mean its not an archtype. Fun fact😖tan lee used golden age superman as a template for spidey hence the daily bugle/daily star, red-blue dress and many things like these are similar to both of them.

Hey hey hey!.. I'm not that old lol.

Nope. By your standard Supes was merely the first brick since he initially did not fly. He was strong, very durable and could jump far distances. Flight didn't officially come until later.

Namor was super strong, durable and could fly from the very beginning. So by your standard, Superman is a Namor archetype 😖hifty:

😛

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by -Pr-
Rulk and Domino isn't canon, iirc.

There is no indication of that. It was a joke fight but its perfectly canon. Alonso himself edited it.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
it's not cannon..PR confirm it..and if u actually read it..u would know..so let it go..now..back to the example..do u have any other??
sure bro..whatever makes u happy 🙂

Pr just gave his opinion. Worthy thing destroying him completely, his humiliating beatdown in "Hulk of Arabia" etc.

Meh.

dmills Centurion Prime

Rulk is a joke now. The only thing saving him here is the full capacity rule which saves him somewhat from the horrible jobbing that he's been reduced to in the comic material.