Daredevil Vs Shatterstar

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thing is not class 100 and I really, really doubt he was going all out anyway.

You're just sugar-coating that showing.

It's happening to Ben quite often...

What is? Bits of his flesh being ripped off? I know Wrecker has done it with his crowbar. I know Hulk has done it. I know Wolverine did it.

Who else has done it to Thing that wasn't high Cl100 like Hulk, a Cl50-75 using an enchanted weapon like Wrecker, or an elite brick slayer using unbreakable razor sharp claws like Wolverine?

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
So that one showing is all that matters?

Daken/Skaar incident...

Originally posted by zopzop
Thing is Cl100 and it was mentioned in an Avengers Initiative issue or something.

What is? Bits of his flesh being ripped off? I know Wrecker has done it with his crowbar. I know Hulk has done it. I know Wolverine did it.

Who else has done it to Thing that wasn't high Cl100 like Hulk, a Cl50-75 using an enchanted weapon like Wrecker, or an elite brick slayer using unbreakable razor sharp claws like Wolverine?

It's the most RECENT showing and it was damn impressive.

Not really, he was just teaching kids how to fight really strong guys... lots of people disagree that shows he's a class 100.

His chunks are flying off in every major fight if you look closely.

AND Thing came back and punked him. So did undead Asgardians. Those are more recent showings for Shittystar 🙂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Daken/Skaar incident...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not really, he was just teaching kids how to fight really strong guys... lots of people disagree that shows he's a class 100.

His chunks are flying off in every major fight if you look closely.

AND Thing came back and punked him. So did undead Asgardians. Those are more recent showings for Shittystar 🙂

His chunks maybe flying off his face because he's fighting really powerful beings (Hulk) or beings wielding uber weapons (Wrecker's crowbar, Wolverine's claws, etc..). Shatterstar was using a freaking weight.

How did Thing "punk" him? By swatting him away? Shatterstar has hollow bones, it doesn't take much to swat him away. Undead Asgardians are undead Gods. Not a low showing at all.

Originally posted by zopzop
Impressive showing for Daken. Right up there with Shatterstar blocking Thing.

That stuff happens every week. Neither of them were strong enough to do that. Neither was Wolverine when he fought freakin' Crusader. This is just how comic books work, applying real life physics and using those as feats are definitely not recommended here.

Originally posted by zopzop
I'm sure lots of people disagree but it was stated on panel that he's a Cl100 brick.

No, it was just stated he came there to teach them how to fight class 100 threats. Wolverine was training Armor to face Brood and he ain't no Brood himself...

Originally posted by zopzop
His chunks maybe flying off his face because he's fighting really powerful beings (Hulk) or beings wielding uber weapons (Wrecker's crowbar, Wolverine's claws, etc..). Shatterstar was using a freaking weight.

No, his chunks are flying off whenever a writer feels like it. Thinking that SS did something special here is just wrong.

[QUOTE=14095234]Originally posted by zopzop
[B]How did Thing "punk" him? By swatting him away? Shatterstar has hollow bones, it doesn't take much to swat him away. Undead Asgardians are undead Gods. Not a low showing at all.

He got punked, period.

Capital letter does not belong here. Nameless Asgardians are fodder, Guido one-shotted one and another was having trouble with Multiple Man...

What it shows is that Daredevil fares better against that type of opponent. And Hogun is not a cannon fodder.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That stuff happens every week. Neither of them were strong enough to do that. Neither was Wolverine when he fought freakin' Crusader. This is just how comic books work, applying real life physics and using those as feats are definitely not recommended here.

No, it was just stated he came there to teach them how to fight class 100 threats. Wolverine was training Armor to face Brood and he ain't no Brood himself...

He got punked, period.

Capital letter does not belong here. Nameless Asgardians are fodder, Guido one-shotted one and another was having trouble with Multiple Man...

What it shows is that Daredevil fares better against that type of opponent. And Hogun is not a cannon fodder.

I also don't get why you keep bringing up the Hogun fight, I vaguely remember that showdown and Daredevil couldn't even BUDGE Hogun, unlike what Shatterstar did to Thing.

Originally posted by zopzop

But that wasn't all that happened was it? Shatterstar hit Thing hard enough to send him flying through a stone wall.

So...? That's far from anything extraordinary in comics. Punisher tossed Kraven's son with one hand hard enough to wreck a wall and somehow nobody is giving him the majority against DD.

We already knew SS had the strength advantage (even though that feat is not enough to prove that seeing as heroes do those things all the time), it's just not gonna be enough against Matt.

Originally posted by zopzop
Too bad Thing's Cl100 status is backed up with on panel evidence like when he beat Namor underwater.

You mean when Namor got dazed by a giant fish and Thing trapped him with its teeth? Sorry, don't see how that proves he's class 100.

Originally posted by zopzop
How did he get punked? A person with HOLLOW bones being "swatted" away by a Cl100 brick isn't exactly being punked.

He got treated like nothing, that's how. Didn't even slow Ben down.

Originally posted by zopzop
I also don't get why you keep bringing up the Hogun fight, I vaguely remember that showdown and Daredevil couldn't even BUDGE Hogun, unlike what Shatterstar did to Thing.

Because his performance was INFINITELY times better than Shittystar's, that's why.

You really want to use high showings? Murdock has more of these than SS...

I honestly dont even think DD is capable of hurting a being as strong and durable as SS (or at least not overly so), who unlike most others in his power scale, is also an Amazing fighter and Incredibly fast. Pure fists and billy clubs arent, or at least shouldnt, be enough to damage SS, while SS should cause some serious damage to DD with each and every strike.

Originally posted by DTM
I honestly dont even think DD is capable of hurting a being as strong and durable as SS (or at least not overly so), who unlike most others in his power scale, is also an Amazing fighter and Incredibly fast. Pure fists and billy clubs arent, or at least shouldnt, be enough to damage SS, while SS should cause some serious damage to DD with each and every strike.

He's hurt vastly more powerful guys than low metas. Shatterstar's not outta his league at all. There are always nerve strikes, btw.

Matt is a much better fighter. As for speed, he deflects bullets with his club, would like to see SS doing that...

DD is not a much better fighter, and hes not much faster, but he is MUCH weaker and less tough. Shatterstar isnt some superhumanly strong brute, hes a Very skilled warrior, whos as nimble, agile and quick as he is an expert in fighting. Truth be told, theres evidence to support SS has superhuman speed, agility, etc, which would actually make him overall faster than DD as well.

Originally posted by DTM
DD is not a much better fighter, and hes not much faster, but he is MUCH weaker and less tough. Shatterstar isnt some superhumanly strong brute, hes a Very skilled warrior, whos as nimble, agile and quick as he is an expert in fighting. Truth be told, theres evidence to support SS has superhuman speed, agility, etc, which would actually make him overall faster than DD as well.

Yes, he is. Speed is debatable I guess, but Matt's got more feats. Same with durability/damage soak. His suit offers some good protection, too.

Shatterstar is just a low meta, not a brute. DD has superhuman agility, too.

SS is not winning this fight.

Cant argue about number of feats, as DD is a main comic character, and SS is a much more secondary one, so feats clearly go to DD, but the number of feats dont make a winner in a fight. Maestro has much less feats than FFs Thing, yet I wouldnt give Thing a hope in beating Maestro in a fight.

And considering how SS handled Thing in those scans (not to mention twirled a multi-ton barbell like a cheerleader would a baton), Im not sure Id consider him Low Meta, personally, especially when you add in Everything Else SS brings to the table in a fight.

You say SS isnt winning this fight, I couldnt disagree more, and feel Matt is out of his level here. But I think were going to have to agree to disagree here, as I dont see either of us changing the others minds. 🙂

No, I wouldn't. Maestro got less feats, yes, but he's proven he's much stronger and more powerful than Thing.

He is a low meta, though. One showing doesn't make him advance in the power tier... and it wasn't that impressive to begin with anyway.

SS not only lacks feats (only handbook bios do him justice), his performance against Wolverine whom they both fought multiple times was much inferior. Same with Daredevil vs. Hogun and SS vs. asgardian fodder...

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Daredevil has more fights under his belt, more wins, more feats, much longer career and he's considered one of Marvel's top streets. SS is not taking him down.

OK, let's agree to disagree because this is indeed getting us nowhere.

Originally posted by DTM
DD is not a much better fighter

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
In the same story [b]Feral cut Juggernaut's arm 😬 [/B]

Thats Rob Liefield for you. Although in that story Shatterstar stated that his blades were forged in a dimension of magic and science. Magic is one thing that can bypass Juggy's invulnerability enchantment, so his cutting Cain's eyes isn't pis.

Originally posted by zopzop
His chunks maybe flying off his face because he's fighting really powerful beings (Hulk) or beings wielding uber weapons (Wrecker's crowbar, Wolverine's claws, etc..).

I agree. 😄

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Daken/Skaar incident...

Here's the full fight if anybody cares to see:
YouTube video

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So...? That's far from anything extraordinary in comics. Punisher tossed Kraven's son with one hand hard enough to wreck a wall and somehow nobody is giving him the majority against DD.

We already knew SS had the strength advantage (even though that feat is not enough to prove that seeing as heroes do those things all the time), it's just not gonna be enough against Matt.

You mean when Namor got dazed by a giant fish and Thing trapped him with its teeth? Sorry, don't see how that proves he's class 100.

He got treated like nothing, that's how. Didn't even slow Ben down.

Because his performance was INFINITELY times better than Shittystar's, that's why.

You really want to use high showings? Murdock has more of these than SS...

Originally posted by SamZED

I agree. 😄

Spiderman also hurt Worthy Thing with his fist.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
A decent enough feat for Daken, but it was heavily implied that Skaar wanted him to beat him up to test whether Banner would try to save him or not.

It wasn't posted as a feat, but as an example of comic book characters (street/low meta lv) defying laws of physics by stopping swings from ridiculously strong characters with some object.

Does Skaar have a split personality disorder like some other hulk-like characters or is he one and the same in both his human and Hulk form? Serious question, I'm not sure.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The only thing that Skaar was apparently unaware of was that Daken's claws were coated with the Muramasa blade which negates healing factors, and which I think helped him penetrate Skaar's skin(I have asked a question regarding this on Comic Book Movies):

Here's the full fight if anybody cares to see:
YouTube video

You're wrong about the part that it helped him pierce Skaar's skin. Only two of Daken's claws were coated in the plasmic form imitating metal (one in each hand, protruding from under the wrist). He used them later, after the scene I posted.

Daken's bone claws have pierced a Hulk from 2099 alternate future and cut Ares' war cleaver in two. They're as durable and sharp as his father's ones if we can believe Tinkerer who said they're the same physically.