Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why wouldn't Iron Man tap into greater power sources to beat a foe he couldn't normally, though? Especially when he's done it before?And for the record, I'd put even the watered down Mangog above Sasquatch, so Mangog not being beaten by a city amped Unibeam doesn't mean Sasquatch wouldn't be.
Because he doesn't do it enough to say that's in character for him to do it is the big reason. Why doesn't Walter tap into Tanaraq for a greater power source too?
I would too, but I also don't see IM using it here (nor was that Extremis). If Walter goes Tanaraq mode who knows what his powerlevel would be.
Originally posted by -K-M-Valid argument that would normally work except Tony taps into external power sources often throughout his career. That and his ingenuity was his saving grace when stacked against greater odds and more powerful foes like the Surfer and Thor, etc.
Because he doesn't do it enough to say that's in character for him to do it is the big reason. Why doesn't Walter tap into Tanaraq for a greater power source too?I would too, but I also don't see IM using it here (nor was that Extremis). If Walter goes Tanaraq mode who knows what his powerlevel would be.
Iron Man doesn't risk losing his humanity or soul by harnessing extra power. Your attempted analogy is clumsy and inaccurate. Walter goes Tanaraq willingly even less (maybe never?) than Tony burns his armor out utterly to its max capacity. Which in itself is rarer than him harnessing outside power sources, the current issue.
Originally posted by ODG
Valid argument that would normally work except Tony taps into external power sources often throughout his career. That and his ingenuity was his saving grace when stacked against greater odds and more powerful foes like the Surfer and Thor, etc.Iron Man doesn't risk losing his humanity or soul by harnessing extra power. Your attempted analogy is clumsy and inaccurate. Walter goes Tanaraq willingly even less (maybe never?) than Tony burns his armor out utterly to its max capacity. Which in itself is rarer than him harnessing outside power sources, the current issue.
Ok show me these countless times he does that in battle then (nevermind just extremis which this thread is). So every battle thread he will tap into it then? To say he does it a majority of the time is inaccurate.
He doesn't have a choice, and inaccurate? That's actually stated in the comics and do I think he will do it here? No, but I don't think Tony is going to tap into the grid to fight Sasquatch. The Tanaraq thing was used because the Iron Man supporters are using things NOT in character. Where did I say he burns out his energy again? Even SNowbird lost control to Tanaraq twice when she took Sasquatch's form.
Originally posted by -K-M-Your request for "countless times" is rather puerile. Surfer's amping/energy manipulation merits consideration in every thread he's in and for good reason. People dont demand countless instances for it to merit conversation. Iron Man's done it dozens of times. In prep and especially in the direct heat of battle. From throwing Surfer's power back at him, to amping off a mind-controlled Thor's lightning, to amping off Human Torch's flames, etc. At no time have I suggested that he will do it in every battle thread or in the majority of his battles. My statement was rather clear: trying to pretend that doing so wouldnt be in character for him or that it'd be be in any way comparable to Walter invoking Tanaraq's power was inaccurate at best, clumsy at worst.
Ok show me these countless times he does that in battle then (nevermind just extremis which this thread is). So every battle thread he will tap into it then? To say he does it a majority of the time is inaccurate.He doesn't have a choice, and inaccurate? That's actually stated in the comics and do I think he will do it here? No, but I don't think Tony is going to tap into the grid to fight Sasquatch. The Tanaraq thing was used because the Iron Man supporters are using things NOT in character. Where did I say he burns out his energy again? Even SNowbird lost control to Tanaraq twice when she took Sasquatch's form.
On second thought, it was rather stupid to be more blunt. And in my opinion, Tnaraq has less right to be involved in Sasquatch threads than Void does in Sentry threads. Theyre different characters. And if we were taking the "in character" stipulation in any way seriously, talking about a different character is rather counter-intuitive, if not blatantly absent-minded. But thats a different argument than the issue youre having with Iron Man, despite your inelegant attempts to analogize the two.
Interesting so every battle using your logic he has the capability of doing that? Ill remember that the next Iron Man thread I see as your acting like it's standard yet somehow dismiss Tanaraq's amp? Incorrect, Tanaraq and Sasquatch are the same character and he has taken over Walter and Snowbird more times then Iron Man has tapped into the grid. Even Omega Flight Walter was still in control, but Tanaraq created illusions to make everyone seem like enemies and in early apperances of Alpha Flight he would go into bestial rages but wouldn't fully turn into Tanaraq. I notice you still didn't provide these examples to even show he would do it here. The fact is people assumed Iron Man would tap into the grid for this fight is more laughable, hence why the Tanaraq comparison came up. Walter is always in fear of losing control, it's very much part of his character and at times held back in battle due to fear of letting go and losing control. Even the handbooks mention Walter can draw more power from Tanaraq unintentionally without transforming into him. Walter and Tanaraq's struggle is very much in character, yet somehow your trying to dismiss it? haha ok? As I have said will he use it here? No, the same way IM wouldn't tap into the grid to fight.
So in short Iron Man can tap into an external power, while Walter can;t even though Walter has done it more. Swing and a miss, and Walter/Snowbird has been taken over more by Tanaraq then Sentry has gone full Void.
^ As I'm sure you share, I've grown tired of your arguments here. I find them to be completely myopic and frankly laughable. Iron Man using external power to amp isn't standard. But i never argued it was. I argued that it was in-character, and it is. Off the top of my head again, Living Laser, Terrax, Destroyer Diablo, Magneto, Mangog, and he's done it together wirh Thor and Human Torch both offensively and in teamwork both. So your blatant mischaractwrization that it wasnt in-character (your argument) just a classic case of you being utterly misinformed. But whatever, not the first time ive been so ineptly straw-manned.
As for Walter and Tanaraq, I could presa this argument further and am even confident enough to have a mod rule on this matter. Sasquatch and Tanaraq are as distinct as Ghost Rider/Zarathos as Sentry/Voidas J'onn/Fernus as Kyle/Oblivion as Savage Hulk/WWH as Adam Warlock/Adam Magus are. And ot's really obvious. Like retardly obvious. But there isnt enough butthurt to justify having a mod get involved unlike the Superman/Thor butthurt that got Sentry and Void gentrified per forum ruling. Nobody gives a sh1t enough about Sasquatch, frankly.
But I understand you cant argue for Sasquatch without reaching for Tanaraq every chance you get. Its patently obvious that Sasquatch isnt a good enough character on his own to discuss for you. Just stop assuming it's the same for the rest of us. You might need your Tanaraq security blanket, but most of us do not. And the last thing we need is you acting like Iron Man acting in-character somehow reverse-justifies you invoking your Tanaraq security blanket.
Iron Man vs SASQUATCH in-character. Thats the thread. Think about it.
Originally posted by ODG
^ As I'm sure you share, I've grown tired of your arguments here. I find them to be completely myopic and frankly laughable. Iron Man using external power to amp isn't standard. But i never argued it was. I argued that it was in-character, and it is. Off the top of my head again, Living Laser, Terrax, Destroyer Diablo, Magneto, Mangog, and he's done it together wirh Thor and Human Torch both offensively and in teamwork both. So your blatant mischaractwrization that it wasnt in-character (your argument) just a classic case of you being utterly misinformed. But whatever, not the first time ive been so ineptly straw-manned.As for Walter and Tanaraq, I could presa this argument further and am even confident enough to have a mod rule on this matter. Sasquatch and Tanaraq are as distinct as Ghost Rider/Zarathos as Sentry/Voidas J'onn/Fernus as Kyle/Oblivion as Savage Hulk/WWH as Adam Warlock/Adam Magus are. And ot's really obvious. Like retardly obvious. But there isnt enough butthurt to justify having a mod get involved unlike the Superman/Thor butthurt that got Sentry and Void gentrified per forum ruling. Nobody gives a sh1t enough about Sasquatch, frankly.
But I understand you cant argue for Sasquatch without reaching for Tanaraq every chance you get. Its patently obvious that Sasquatch isnt a good enough character on his own to discuss for you. Just stop assuming it's the same for the rest of us. You might need your Tanaraq security blanket, but most of us do not. And the last thing we need is you acting like Iron Man acting in-character somehow reverse-justifies you invoking your Tanaraq security blanket.
Iron Man vs SASQUATCH in-character. Thats the thread. Think about it.
agree^
haha what? I said Walter would not go Tanaraq here several times. You clearly seem butt hurt. It came up in the first place as a snarky remark of people saying Iron Man would do things (not even Extremis) that he wouldn't do. No, I said when did Extremis as that's what the battle thread is about, do it? Walter losing control to Tanaraq is in fact in character. If you grown tired stop posting, as your wasting both of our times.
Feel free, but Walter/Sasquatch has been turned far more times then your examples and it even happened recently so swing and a miss again.
Yep, butt hurt. As I have said many many times already he will not turn into Tanaraq here. However, your acting like it's not in character which it is and is constantly referenced and even Snowbird was taken over by Tanaraq 2-3 times when she took Tanaraq's form. That's very much in character. Just because you don't like it doesn't dismiss the fact it happens...often.
Bingo, hence why I have debating in character feats from the start. Clearly I said Tanaraq wasn't a viable option similar to how Iron Man tapping into a grid, yet your acting all butt hurt. Unlike Tony, Walter draws from the power unintentially from an external power not like using tech to hack a system to tap into external source, its always there, but hey...context be damned eh?
My you definetly sound butt-hurt, for someone who claims they don't care you clearly are not showing it. However, I digress as I actually don't care.
The family reunions should be interesting at least