Power Scaling via power levels is unreliable because they stopped being used by the writer himself as we get later in to DBZ.
He realized the problems that would have arisen.
Notice how at first as well, that Super Saiyan transformation was supposed to give you a 50x boost in power level, but as we go in the series the difference it makes in a fight seems moderate at best, like maybe a 2 to 3x increase in capability.
Originally posted by dadudemonThere's no way to know if even the Kais or anyone else in DB for that matter could feel it from any point in the Universe.
Only "ki sensitives" would be able to feel it so, yes, you're correct: very few would have been able to feel it.😐
Originally posted by dadudemonIt's not, unless King Kai was standing at the other end of the Universe on that occasion.
King Kai felt it: that is enough. Gohan also felt it in an entirely different dimension: that's even worse.So you've done nothing to dispel the idea that a SSJ3 Goku is absurdly powerful.
And no, interdimensional feats like this one are kind of unquantifiable as we don't know how much physical space Goku's ki would've crossed until reaching to Dai Kaio's planet where Gohan was training. That only really shows a property ki has of bypassing dimensional boundaries when it's big enough.
And I never said Goku isn't powerful.
Originally posted by stargun
There's no way to know if even the Kais or anyone else in DB for that matter could feel it from any point in the Universe.
Except for the fact that King Kai felt it as did the others on the Kai's holy planet.
Originally posted by stargun
It's not, unless King Kai was standing at the other end of the Universe on that occasion.
He was: the map based on the description Toriyama gave shows the Kai's planets (as is the holy Kai planet) as far away as possible from earth.
Originally posted by stargun
And no, interdimensional feats like this one are kind of unquantifiable as we don't know how much physical space Goku's ki would've crossed until reaching to Dai Kaio's planet where Gohan was training. That only really shows a property ki has of bypassing dimensional boundaries when it's big enough.
Incorrect: it was felt both across the universe and into another dimension. That is directly quantifiable.
Originally posted by stargun
And I never said Goku isn't powerful.
I never said you said that Goku is not powerful.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I dunno, I felt that the difference between even a FSSJ and a SSJ2 was a pretty signifigant one, much less a basic SSJ.Gohan went from fighting a gradually losing battle against Perfect Cell to being capable of curbstomping multiple Perfect Cells (Cell Jrs are equal in power).
Well, Goku was marginally weaker than Perfect Cell yet he fought on even ground and even won against Cell (due to technique, not power). Had Goku known of Cell's regenerative abilities, he could have easily finished off the ass and legs. lol
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why did Goku not know of Cell's regenerative abilities?Did Vegeta and Trunks just sort of neglect to tell him about them?
I mean seriously, he pulled the exact same ****ing trick with Vegeta.
I think the idea was that the head had to be destroyed. A Namek cannot regenerate the head, iirc. So they thought it was done. They didn't know about Cell's new and improved over Namekian physiology, though. Had Goku known that, he could have quickly blasted the last bits.
Originally posted by dadudemonIf we were to believe in the map's visual representation the whole DB-verse would be smaller than our Solar System in real life, not even as big as the infamous four-galaxies figure.
Except for the fact that King Kai felt it as did the others on the Kai's holy planet.He was: [B]the map based on the description Toriyama gave shows the Kai's planets (as is the holy Kai planet) as far away as possible from earth
.Incorrect: it was felt both across the universe and into another dimension. That is directly quantifiable.
I never said you said that Goku is not powerful. [/B]
Originally posted by dadudemonOnce more: Vegeta and Trunks already knew that.
I think the idea was that the head had to be destroyed. A Namek cannot regenerate the head, iirc. So they thought it was done. They didn't know about Cell's new and improved over Namekian physiology, though. Had Goku known that, he could have quickly blasted the last bits.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Once more: Vegeta and Trunks already knew that.
I don't think they did. His head wasn't destroyed with Vegeta's Galick Gun.
Originally posted by stargun
If we were to believe in the map's visual representation the whole DB-verse would be smaller than our Solar System in real life, not even as big as the infamous four-galaxies figure.
I appreciate your concession. We can move on now that you've shown you knew you were wrong. Helluva way to admit you were wrong, however.
Originally posted by dadudemonWell Vegeta did forget that cell could regenerate when he attacked him with his FINAL FLASH attack, but destroying cell's head wouldn't defeat cell because the rules of his regeneration he got from piccolo state he can regenerate as long as his core remains, with a namekian that means their head with cell its every cell in his body, for example when goku used the instant kamehameha on cell and destroyed cell's top half and when cell self destructed but a single cell of his remained for him to regenerate and because of the part of him that is saiyan he came back a lot stronger in his super perfect form.
I don't think they did. His head wasn't destroyed with Vegeta's Galick Gun.I appreciate your concession. We can move on now that you've shown you knew you were wrong. Helluva way to admit you were wrong, however.
Originally posted by dadudemonYea putting words in people's mouths surely is a cool way to leave a discussion. I'll take the hint and not dispute the point any further now that you seem to think the whole Dragon Ball Universe + afterlife consists of a snow globe-like structure the size of a mini star system at best.
I appreciate your concession. We can move on now that you've shown you knew you were wrong. Helluva way to admit you were wrong, however.
Originally posted by CosmicCometIt's only unreliable to you because you buy more into the plot holes than you do the plot. As for the second bit, I'm not sure where you pulled that from. 😕
Power Scaling via power levels is unreliable because they stopped being used by the writer himself as we get later in to DBZ.He realized the problems that would have arisen.
Notice how at first as well, that Super Saiyan transformation was supposed to give you a 50x boost in power level, but as we go in the series the difference it makes in a fight seems moderate at best, like maybe a 2 to 3x increase in capability.
Originally posted by stargun
Yea putting words in people's mouths surely is a cool way to leave a discussion. I'll take the hint and not dispute the point any further now that you seem to think the whole Dragon Ball Universe + afterlife consists of a snow globe-like structure the size of a mini star system at best.
And that solar system you made as a kid for the 5th grade science fair? We all know that the sun is only twice as large as earth.