Marek vs. Luke
Both are at their peak.
They don't get any lightsabers. It's a straight up force battle. Let's say in a city with a lot of stuff to throw around.
I want you to go by feats only. No shitty quotes like "Marek was no match for blah blah" or "Vader is 80% of blah blah therefore Marek is".. from George Lucas or any books and databanks. Just look at their feats, nothing else and tell me, if this is a close fight or if Marek gets stomped into the ground.
In TFU I alternate OT (if gamers pick the dark side) Darth Starkiller curbstomps the living sh*t out of TESB Luke on Hoth. However, as Grand Master Luke is the most powerful force user ever and is 200% more powerful than Sidious, Galen Marek, no matter how powerful he was at the end of the canonical ending of TFU I, would get his a** handed to him, no matter how creative he can be with Force Powers.
Beating Sidious for one thing. awepeach
Becoming immovable to a black hole, resisting Unuthul, fighting Abeloth, cloaking an entire planet, dismantling and rebuilding a castle, standing in Ganner Rhysode's presence without combusting.... he has some cool feats.
Besides, you've repeatedly claimed the opinion that Peak Luke is indeed above DE Sidious in a fight. Why should he not be above Marek?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Beating Sidious for one thing. awepeachBecoming immovable to a black hole, resisting Unuthul, fighting Abeloth, cloaking an entire planet, dismantling and rebuilding a castle, standing in Ganner Rhysode's presence without combusting.... he has some cool feats.
Besides, you've repeatedly claimed the opinion that Peak Luke is indeed above DE Sidious in a fight. Why should he not be above Marek?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Beating Sidious for one thing. awepeachBecoming immovable to a black hole, resisting Unuthul, fighting Abeloth, cloaking an entire planet, dismantling and rebuilding a castle, standing in Ganner Rhysode's presence without combusting.... he has some cool feats.
Besides, you've repeatedly claimed the opinion that Peak Luke is indeed above DE Sidious in a fight. Why should he not be above Marek?
I am for Luke but out of boredom will
argue for Marek.
However, as Grand Master Luke is the most powerful force user ever and is 200% more powerful than Sidious, Galen Marek, no matter how powerful he was at the end of the canonical ending of TFU I, would get his a** handed to him, no matter how creative he can be with Force Powers.
Moreover, there are plenty of characters with inferior power that did comparable feats to Luke or surpassed him in some areas entirely including even TK and Marek is one of them.
Power gives greater Force reserves but Force attacks and combat prowess depend entirely on Force mastery and skill.
Abeloth was far more powerful than Luke, yet, she couldn't overpower him. Neither it means that he is equally powerful to her. After every single fight Luke was getting Force exhausted, while her reserves were always in check.
If all depended on power, then SW would be outright stupid and boring.
Originally posted by axel_jovan
Not to mention Luke took direct Force-hit from a being that has roughly 12 times his raw power. There is nothing in the Force that SK can do to win with Luke IMHO.
Similarly Kenobi's combat skills were so good that even combined effort of Maul and Opress and pure rage of Anakin wasn't enough to overwhelm him and on top of that his TK prowess was enough to stalemate even Anakin boosted by rage. Yet, when Dooku caught him off guard with Force choke, all that prowess and skill could be thrown out of window.
When Jacen threw a piece of sealing at Luke, he attempted to dodge and still got smacked in the back of his head. As you see Luke can get Force handled no matter what power he possesses, he is no different from other characters.
And Marek is not just powerful, he utilizes TK like Dooku or even better trying to catch his opponents off guard, he's got chance to catch Luke off guard like Thul and Jacen did.
Neither Luke can overpower Marek easily. The only way he could Force blast Jacen is by feigning attack to catch him off guard.
In other words their TK contest would be determined by skill, not power. Still Luke demonstrated himself more skilled with TK but it would be a close to even battle.
Luke's main advantage is that, if he gets hold of Marek, then he will rape him with superior unarmed combat skills.
However, Marek has got a significant advantage of his own. This is saberless fight, Marek can use lightning and Luke doesn't have Force absorb ability. Yes, Luke can resist lightning as well as dodge it. However, he never demonstrated breaking free from it. When Sidious in DE electrocuted him, Luke was put on his ass. When Sith from Lost Tribe electrocuted him, it was Ben who intercepted the current to set his father free. And when Abeloth was electrocuting him, he was completely numb, unable to do anything until she stopped herself.
So, if Marek can maintain distance and catch Luke with lightning, then he can actually take him down.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Beating Sidious for one thing. awepeachBecoming immovable to a black hole, resisting Unuthul, fighting Abeloth, cloaking an entire planet, dismantling and rebuilding a castle, standing in Ganner Rhysode's presence without combusting.... he has some cool feats.
Besides, you've repeatedly claimed the opinion that Peak Luke is indeed above DE Sidious in a fight. Why should he not be above Marek?
Never said he couldn't beat Marek, I said I'm on the fence about their comparative feats.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Especially Johun Othone. Guy was a f*cking beast.
Funny use of sarcasm there. Johun was the among worst excuses for Force users that was ever used as a main character. He almost got his a** handed to him by a non-Force user, who only had cortosis knives. He only escaped because he almost killed himself and Kel by falling over 50 meters into an ocean; that along with hindering Sarro Xaj in the fight against Zannah and Bane on Tython. He only helped Raskta because she was such a great lightsaber duelist.
Originally posted by jmoul
Funny use of sarcasm there. Johun was the among worst excuses for Force users that was ever used as a main character. He almost got his a** handed to him by a non-Force user, who only had cortosis knives. He only escaped because he almost killed himself and Kel by falling over 50 meters into an ocean; that along with hindering Sarro Xaj in the fight against Zannah and Bane on Tython. He only helped Raskta because she was such a great lightsaber duelist.
Originally posted by jmoulHOW DARE YOU SLANDER THE NAME OF THE GREAT JOHUN OTHONE!?!?!?!?!? He is twenty times better than the Force itself!
Funny use of sarcasm there. Johun was the among worst excuses for Force users that was ever used as a main character. He almost got his a** handed to him by a non-Force user, who only had cortosis knives. He only escaped because he almost killed himself and Kel by falling over 50 meters into an ocean; that along with hindering Sarro Xaj in the fight against Zannah and Bane on Tython. He only helped Raskta because she was such a great lightsaber duelist.
I've personally become disillusioned with the idea that Force Users must suck if they're beaten by Non-Force Users. It's happened enough in the mythos where its totally believable that it could happen. Most prominently in TOR.
I think what really stands out in Johun's case is that it was a straight fight where he failed to defeat his opponent in melee combat. Usually a NFU uses trickery or something else to close the gap in abilities, but not there. However, it was noted especially that the guy he was fighting is exceptionally skilled and was using a weapon that made fighting him difficult for Johun. Whether that excuses him or not is up to you guys.
The real worst Force User was Scout from Dark Rendevouz. But no-one cares because she was BALLS-TO-THE-WALLS AWESOME!
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Never said he couldn't beat Marek, I said I'm on the fence about their comparative feats.
For the record, I'm deliberating if I consider the novels account of his atmospheric re-entry canon or not. It does contradict the game directly. And I consider the game as the original source of TFU since thats what it was originally conceived as. Everything else simply expands upon the original games.