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Revan vs. Starkiller
Got an idea for this thread while reading a comment by a fellow KMC member on how Revan & Starkiller are the two characters that stand out as the most epic heroes in the SW saga, and how they enrich EU by their mere presence.
Anyway……….
Setting: Tatooine desert
1) Sabers
2) Force
3) All-out
This is Revan from the book and TFU II Starkiller.
Who wins? And whose body is thrown into the Sarlacc pit?
I say Revan. If Starkiller and everyone else's force powers aare insane, who's to say Revan wouldn't have enhanced powers? Also, He has far greater experience, having fought an army whose warriors are much harder to kill than Stormtroopers. Revan is also a master strategist who would just get Starkiller angry and then use it against him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Starkiller would annihilate him.
Well if he redirects it back on to him Marek can either absorb it again or block it with his lightsaber.
And yes, yes I am saying that. All Revan has is his lightning redirection in the way of impressive powers. That itsn't enough to stop Marek. Particularly as this is TFUII Marek who is insanely powerful.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well if he redirects it back on to him Marek can either absorb it again or block it with his lightsaber.And yes, yes I am saying that. All Revan has is his lightning redirection in the way of impressive powers. That itsn't enough to stop Marek. Particularly as this is TFUII Marek who is insanely powerful.
And on another note, that book downplays Revan as much as he could possibly be put down. Warrior who tried to toughen up the republic he cared about by becoming a Sith Lord? Naah he got mind raped. They really tried hard to smash Revan as hard as they could....and THAT is why I will never play TOR. I can't forgive what they did to Revan...
Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
I know everybody loves Starkiller, but seriously, He REALLY isn't the best force user to ever live! if he was, he would have actually defeated Sidious instead of holding him off! And if he is the game's protagonost, of course he is going to be powerful!And on another note, that book downplays Revan as much as he could possibly be put down. Warrior who tried to toughen up the republic he cared about by becoming a Sith Lord? Naah he got mind raped. They really tried hard to smash Revan as hard as they could....and THAT is why I will never play TOR. I can't forgive what they did to Revan...
I know he isn't. That does not change the fact that he's demonstrated more power than Revan has and could defeat him.
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Check out from 2.50 to 3.30. Thats a chunk of a Star Destroyer he's throwing around. And then, thats a CR90 corvette he's doing to same to. Those things are 150 meters in length. That's longer than a football stadium. The Star Destroyer is 10 times that size.
Yes the book was awful. TOR is pretty good though. Revan is hardly featured outside of 1 quest and a group raid though so meh.
Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
I know everybody loves Starkiller, but seriously, He REALLY isn't the best force user to ever live! if he was, he would have actually defeated Sidious instead of holding him off! And if he is the game's protagonost, of course he is going to be powerful!
In TFU I, Starkiller would have killed Sidious, but if he had done so in the scenario, he would have returned to the dark side, something he had chosen to leave behind. He also held off Sidious's lightning long enough to allow the Rebel Alliance founders to escape. His act was one of self-sacrifice, making him a Jedi in death. However, the Starkiller we are talking about, from TFU II, never faced Sidious. In fact, Sidious isn't even mentioned in TFU II, to my knowledge.
The real key that gives Starkiler the advantage is his ability to be extremely creative with the Force in combat. While lightning redirection is indeed an impressive feat for Revan, Starkiller was strong enough do that and incorporate lightning into his lightsaber attacks. All-in-all, Starkiller was just a straight-up BAMF in terms of Force and lightsaber use.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I know he isn't. That does not change the fact that he's demonstrated more power than Revan has and could defeat him._BoB7tS1fOU&feature
Check out from 2.50 to 3.30. Thats a chunk of a Star Destroyer he's throwing around. And then, thats a CR90 corvette he's doing to same to. Those things are 150 meters in length. That's longer than a football stadium. The Star Destroyer is 10 times that size.
Yes the book was awful. TOR is pretty good though. Revan is hardly featured outside of 1 quest and a group raid though so meh.
One of the more impressive feats is the mini-cutscene in which Starkiller's Force-charged cannon blast eviscerates a Star Destroyer: literally blowing it apart.
By the looks of it he just helped it go back on-line again. It was knocked off-line in the previous video, but the energy should still be there, and it looks to me like he's simply getting it connected to the cannon again I don't see that feat as too quantifiable in terms of what Starkiller did or how much was him or the cannon.
Re: Revan vs. Starkiller
Originally posted by axel_jovan
Got an idea for this thread while reading a comment by a fellow KMC member on how Revan & Starkiller are the two characters that stand out as the most epic heroes in the SW saga, and how they enrich EU by their mere presence
Starkiller diseases EU by his mere presence.
Originally posted by Nephthys
By the looks of it he just helped it go back on-line again. It was knocked off-line in the previous video, but the energy should still be there, and it looks to me like he's simply getting it connected to the cannon again I don't see that feat as too quantifiable in terms of what Starkiller did or how much was him or the cannon.
8:07-8:30. You can see him charge the cannon. Setting that aside, I'm not sure why we would assume a Nebulon-B frigate can oneshot a Star Destroyer.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
YouTube video8:07-8:30. You can see him charge the cannon. Setting that aside, I'm not sure why we would assume a Nebulon-B frigate can oneshot a Star Destroyer.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Starkiller would annihilate him.
Real-world perspective:
Starkiller looks special because of the way TFU games have been designed; to impress the audience with fantastic usage of Force powers.
Bioware games are designed in entirely different manner. Force feats in Bioware games do not look very impressive due engine design.
In-universe perspective:
Just like Starkiller, Revan have fought through entire armies and succeeded. You cannot underestimate him just because he is not shown moving a Star Destroyer. His accomplishments speak for themselves.
Darth Vader proved to be a headache for Starkiller. Revan is (logically) smarter and more powerful in comparison.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well if he redirects it back on to him Marek can either absorb it again or block it with his lightsaber.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And yes, yes I am saying that. All Revan has is his lightning redirection in the way of impressive powers. That itsn't enough to stop Marek. Particularly as this is TFUII Marek who is insanely powerful.
Sometimes, feats not much bigger in sheer scale, are much harder to perform then the others.
Originally posted by Darth _Sadow1
Starkiller is just an excuse to use outrageous force powers...Seriously. Although I do love when Vader is a d*** to him. I think any of us would make better apprentices and have more realistic emotions than Starkiller
Evaporate opponents; destroy armies; destroy tanks; move starships; and at the end; find Darth Vader challenging. Very well though out. 🙄
Revan is arguably the dumbest person in entire EU.
From beginning he thinks that he is more clever than Jedi Masters that have decades more experience and launches his own movement against Mandalorians, which resulted in hell lot of Jedi becoming Sith as result. Instead of finding peaceful solution he went for mass slaughter, which as result created likes of Nihilus, responsible for destroying entire planet and annihilating nearly all Jedi.
After Mandalorian war he starts investigation, sounds alright. But on discovering Sith world instead of ringing on Republic alarms he decides to put his apprentice and himself in danger in ridiculous attempt to handle problem themselves. No surprise that they got mind raped and became creators of new Sith empire on their own. It's amazing that the most powerful Jedi of that time also happened to be so weak minded, to get mind raped and then get mind wiped by Jedi. Then at last he did something good: saved half ruined Republic from the threat he unleashed himself.
But then he got bored. And started something he shouldn't have: investigation. Before that he gave out location of Mandalorian mask, so they could rebuilt and defend republic. Is he MAD? Whenever Mandalorians helped republic? No wonder that they are on Empire's side in TOR.
Then he remembers Sith location but instead of consulting Jedi again he thinks that he can handle anything. And what then? Again he gets captured...
Then Exile gives him third chance to make it right. And of course he does it wrong again. Instead of going back to Republic to ring alarm bells he tries to take down Vitiate again. And on entrance he politely left his comrades behind, why would he need them? He is so awesome that he doesn't need anyone to handle some old Sith. Of course he gets handled again. Exile died and Republic is still in the dark that there is danger in unknown regions. Getting captured three times by the same Sith, he must be really "unordinary Jedi" to fail so much.
Then JK wakes him up only to get assassinated by a random Sith, what a waste.
Starkiller looks special because of the way TFU games have been designed; to impress the audience with fantastic usage of Force powers.Bioware games are designed in entirely different manner. Force feats in Bioware games do not look very impressive due engine design.
You failed to factor-in that HOW MUCH POWER would have been required to counter the signature attack from Darth Nyriss.Sometimes, feats not much bigger in sheer scale, are much harder to perform then the others.
Star Destroyer will always be size of Star Destroyer. However, even Sidious' lightning couldn't make a single burn on Windu's skin, nothing comparing to charring to ashes instantly. It's not hard to distinguish a hyperbole from realistic feat. Yes, yes. Marek's feat is realistic. He did it by prolonged channeling. Dorsk 82, for example, demonstrated FAT more impressive TK feat than just redirecting course of already falling ship.
Fancy game mechanics is what TFU is actually famous for.Vitiate dominated hundreds Sith lords, consumed entire planet, casually handled Revan who casually handled Nyriss. And then... lost to a Jedi Knight on his own territory in the middle of darkside nexus. Even more well thought out. :👆:Evaporate opponents; destroy armies; destroy tanks; move starships; and at the end; find Darth Vader challenging. Very well though out. 🙄
Darth Vader proved to be a headache for Starkiller. Revan is (logically) smarter and more powerful in comparison.
In comparison Marek engaged Sidious after wasting power on defeating Vader. In cut-scene partially blocked his lightning with lightsaber, partially dodged it and than Force handled Sidious with TK and had him at his mercy. And after he refused to strike him down and Sidious unleashed his lightning again Marek still resisted it unlike Revan and stalemated Sidious until explosion.
Logically Marek >>>>> Revan because Revan didn't Force handle the most powerful Sith Lord but got casually handled by another one instead.