Originally posted by the Darkone
👆Speed is not a guarantee win, especially against somebody that can and has reacted well against speedsters, the real question is can Gladiator survive a onslaught from Thor not holding back and unleashing all of his powers, can Glaiator tank Thor most powerful blast like Godblast, Anti force, Thermo-blast etc I say no can Thor survive Gladiator best, yes!
Speed is a guaranteed win in a forum fight (provided it is enough). Because it makes total sense. Ignoring speed is talk of non sense and lying to oneself and makes a serious debate meaningless.
I wise man once said, "Using examples of Thor reacting to speedsters is immaterial since no speedster has used their top speed on Thor when Thor reacted to them. For instance, It is immaterial that Thor reacted to Surfer when Surfer was moving far under his top speed."
Thor can definitely put a hurting on Glads. But like I said Glads would be hitting Thor far more than Thor hitting Glads.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Really it's as clear as day Hulk is stronger than Thor, but the same can't be said when comparing Thor to Gladiator. Everything I've seen Thor do with strength (matching Hercules, matching Hulk in the earlier days, lifting the Serpents paw, leg pressing millions of tons etc) I can see Gladiator doing. On the other hand I don't see Thor destroying/moving planets with pure brute strength like Kallark can.
Of course it can. They're peers in strength, and in a fight that strength would likely be considered a wash, but if we sit and compare who is stronger, even by a little bit that would be Thor.
Um, it doesn't really matter if you can see Gladiator doing it or not. If he hasn't and Thor has the superior feats, then Thor is stronger. forget about midgard serpent or yggdrasil pushing while in a weakened form, even in general his strength feats trump Glads'.
You can't see Thor tearing apart a dead space rock by slamming into it then hitting it with his hardest strikes? k....well that's your perogative I suppose.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Of course it can. They're peers in strength, and in a fight that strength would likely be considered a wash, but if we sit and compare who is stronger, even by a little bit that would be Thor.Um, it doesn't really matter if you can see Gladiator doing it or not. If he hasn't and Thor has the superior feats, then Thor is stronger. forget about midgard serpent or yggdrasil pushing while in a weakened form, even in general his strength feats trump Glads'.
You can't see Thor tearing apart a dead space rock by slamming into it then hitting it with his hardest strikes? k....well that's your perogative I suppose.
Serpent and World Tree are unquantifiable anyways.
No I don't see Thor destroying a planet, dead or otherwise in 3 shots. Not when he never has and has struggled with mountain sized weight.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
IYO.Serpent and World Tree are unquantifiable anyways.
No I don't see Thor destroying a planet, dead or otherwise in 3 shots. Not when he never has and has struggled with mountain sized weight.
It's a fact actually. My opinion would be that Thor is cooler looking or something. Something that can't be proven.
Their quantifiable enough to make them his bread and butter feats throughout his history.
He's never been put in the situation to do so. He's also struggled with skyscraper weight. So? His feats as a whole are still better.
Originally posted by Damborgson
It's a fact actually. My opinion would be that Thor is cooler looking or something. Something that can't be proven.Their quantifiable enough to make them his bread and butter feats throughout his history.
He's never been put in the situation to do so. He's also struggled with skyscraper weight. So? His feats as a whole are still better.
Quantify them then.
Of course he has, Thor's been off-world many many times. As a whole sure, not in strength.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't several Heralds destroyed a planet before....including Terrax.In fact, wasn't a planet destroyed in the BRB/Stardust fight?
It's HOW you destroy a planet that proves strength.
Terrax used an axe, impressive but still not fists.
Surfer used blasts, impressive but still not fists.
Drax destroyed planetoids, not planets.
Thanos and Drax made the planet destroy itself. Impressive but no where near as impressive as destroying the planet directly. Just create an instability with less than planetary force and then let the planet take care of the rest.
BRB flew into a planet from afar traveling at great speeds.
Not only does this takes no strength whatsoever but Bill did it from a head start and not starting from up close. Just let Stormbreaker do all the work.
Grey Hulk used jet boots to help him. Impressive but not pure strength alone.
Originally posted by carver9
Is that all you want?Ok.
This isn't really Gladiator dodging lightning bolts is it?
IIRC this is Gladiator dodging a radiation blast from a Skrull, and he got got hit earlier, and stated that he probably couldn't endure another blast like that. Also IIRC later in this issue Cap disguised as Richards blocks a bunch of Gladiators superspeed punches, and then Sue KO's Gladiator with a forcefield?
Originally posted by The Sorrow
It's ALL your opinion. If it were a fact then there wouldn't be a doubt in anyone's mind - much like the Hulk/Thor comparison - and everyone including myself would have listed Thor as stronger.Quantify them then.
Of course he has, Thor's been off-world many many times. As a whole sure, not in strength.
A fact isnt an opinion. Since its been proven.
I guarantee you tgat not everyone on this forum believes that hulk is stronger than thor. They're still wrong. I can disagree with a fact also just like you're doing. It'd be silly but I can do it. And id still be wrong.
Lol? What part of my post suggests that I care enough to do that? Might as well as you to quantify the planet busing feat.
No he hasnt lol. Being in space doesnt mean he's had the need to attack a dead space rock to prove his machoness. Thats why he has real feats.
he has superior strength feats so he is indeed stronger.
Originally posted by h1a8You do realise Cutting a rock with a blade is much more harder than breaking it with your bare hands rights...
It's [b]HOW you destroy a planet that proves strength.Terrax used an axe, impressive but still not fists.
Grey Hulk used jet boots to help him. Impressive but not pure strength alone. [/B]
Grey Hulk at best did 80% of the ft the rest of the 20% was the jet pack...
The others...agreed..
Originally posted by carver9
Just want to throw out there that Thor admitted on panel Hulk is stronger than him. So whoever believes Thor is stronger is just fooling themselves.
He hinted at it yes. But so what? Thor still beats him 10/10 any days he feels like it. Without bfr even. Go ahead and ignore feats now and post avout a couple out of context statements.
Originally posted by TheHulk
You do realise Cutting a rock with a blade is much more harder than breaking it with your bare hands rights...Grey Hulk at best did 80% of the ft the rest of the 20% was the jet pack...
The others...agreed..
So Terrax could have busted the planet with his fist with a single blow MORE EASIER? LOL, this doesn't sound right does it? Try busting a brick with your hand vs. using a nice durable heavy sharp axe to slice it in two. I assure you that you can slice the brick far easier than you can break it with your hands.
Here's some physics lessons.
Lesson 1:
Energy of Work =Force x Distance
so Force= Energy of Work / Distance
The bigger the distance of the level arm (distance from Terrax's shoulder to the point of impact) then the less the force is needed to achieve the same work.
So since the level arm of the arm-axe system is longer than the lever arm of the arm-hand system and since the axe is more heavy than Terrax's fists then it requires less force with the axe than with the fists.
Lesson 2:
Pressure = Force / Area
That means if Force is kept constant then a lesser area gives a larger pressure and a greater area gives a smaller pressure. This is the reason why sharp objects cut more easier than blunt objects. Since the axe is sharper (less contact area) and more heavy than Terrax's fist then it would penetrate more easier than fists can.
