Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool, yeah that's what I wanted. Now all we need are scans of who is more powerful, Living Lightning or Mjolnir....Because we already know that Thor is more seasoned and experienced than either Storm or Masterson, right?
Thor isn't raining down lightning on anyone in character and let's not pretend lightning is faster than Gladiator because its not.
Originally posted by carver9
At Jake, I already told you I think Thor power output is greater than living lightning but again, Masterson never had the luxury of going exotic. Gladiator could have heat vision Masterson face off during the time they were in a grip stance but he didn't.I also said Masterson played it smart and took advantage of an opening BUT if that opening/plot wasnt there, Masterson would have died.
Lol...Gladiator wouldn't have died, that was just word of mouth. A couple of panels after Mjlonir strikes, Gladiator was waking up.
He was beat into unconsciousness and was at the mercy of Masterson, more so than when Gladiator had Masterson at a disadvantage.
And how in the hell do you get that Masterson would have died without "opening/plot" but Gladiator wouldn't have died if Masterson hadn't stopped hitting him with Mjolnir?
Lol...ok, I take that back...Masterson probably could have killed him during that point but Masterson was helpless to Gladiator 2 times during that fight and if Gladiator would have pressed his attacks, Masterson would have lost. Masterson couldnt beat Gladiator in a face to face match...that much was proven. He stunned him with a lightning from above, on a Gladiator that was standing above him with his hands on his hips, to gain an advantage. Don't get why you don't understand this.
Re: Thor vs Gladiator. 4 Rounds.
Originally posted by armedforbattle
Round 1: Hand to Hand
Round 2: Who is Stronger
Round 3: Full Powerset Morals Off/Bloodlust on
Round 4: Full Powerset in characterNo BFR. No Prep.
[/IMG]
Originally posted by h1a8
Or if Glads used his speed effectively
He did use his speed against Thor.
It was a factor, but even Masterson was shown capable of reacting to him, just like Thor was capable of reacting to Future! Gladiator. Much like Thor has been able to react to beings such as Hyperion, Sentry, Silver Surfer, etc.
Problem with clinging to this speed kills argument is that the comics simply don't support it to the degree that people think it would matter in reality. And decrying every moment where someone doesn't use their speed like someone on the forum would use it as PIS or doesn't count in favor for every moment where they've used speed to the absurd degrees that people argue for would be...well, silly for lack of a better word.
Extrapolating speed to a skewed degree we've never seen in the manner it's being argued in opens the flood gates for all kinds of ridiculous manners of debating based on powersets.
There is no way that you can react to someone without having comparable reaction speed.
If you can't imagine Thor building hightech machinery and such within nanoseconds and such, even if its a few nanoseconds longer than Gladiator's time, then you can't say that Thor is fast enough to hit Gladiator.
If Gladiator's mental reflexes match his own physical speed, how are his reflexes going to do against someone who moves so much slower than him like Thor? The answer, he's going to do very, very well.
If Thor was actually fast enough to react to a nanosecond level Gladiator--(which only gets referred to in relation to other like speedster bricks like Hyperion), then he would have no issues reacting to the likes of Spiderman or Wolverine, ever, both of whom we know are at least a bit quicker than him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankYou mean he didn't use his speed on Thor. Yes I saw the fights. You know how fast Glads can move right?
He did use his speed against Thor.It was a factor, but even Masterson was shown capable of reacting to him, just like Thor was capable of reacting to Future! Gladiator. Much like Thor has been able to react to beings such as Hyperion, Sentry, Silver Surfer, etc.
Problem with clinging to this speed kills argument is that the comics simply don't support it to the degree that people think it would matter in reality. And decrying every moment where someone doesn't use their speed like someone on the forum would use it as PIS or doesn't count in favor for every moment where they've used speed to the absurd degrees that people argue for would be...well, silly for lack of a better word.
Extrapolating speed to a skewed degree we've never seen in the manner it's being argued in opens the flood gates for all kinds of ridiculous manners of debating based on powersets.
Using examples of Thor reacting to other characters is immaterial since no character has used their top speed on Thor when Thor reacted to them. For instance, Thor reacting to Surfer when Surfer is moving far under his top speed is immaterial.
Nope, I'm not doing more than you do when you argue Thor. Thor could have done something a few times in comics (out of his career) and you would debate that it is a viable tactic since he has done it. See what I just did there?
The problem is you are dumbing down speedsters when they face Thor but never dumbing down Thor when he fights a team of metas and bricks. You have Thor doing all kinds of stuff that typically we really wont see him do more than 10% of the time. You can't have it both ways.
Lastly, you fail to realize that the writer of comics purposely have characters (like Superman and Surfer) engage much slower characters to create adversity (through bad writing) when in reality any fast character would stomp a much slower character the high majority of the time.
oh and Thor was sped up when he fought the future Gladiator.
Speed kills.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He did use his speed against Thor.It was a factor, but even Masterson was shown capable of reacting to him, just like Thor was capable of reacting to Future! Gladiator. Much like Thor has been able to react to beings such as Hyperion, Sentry, Silver Surfer, etc.
Problem with clinging to this speed kills argument is that the comics simply don't support it to the degree that people think it would matter in reality. And decrying every moment where someone doesn't use their speed like someone on the forum would use it as PIS or doesn't count in favor for every moment where they've used speed to the absurd degrees that people argue for would be...well, silly for lack of a better word.
Extrapolating speed to a skewed degree we've never seen in the manner it's being argued in opens the flood gates for all kinds of ridiculous manners of debating based on powersets.
👆
Speed is not a guarantee win, especially against somebody that can and has reacted well against speedsters, the real question is can Gladiator survive a onslaught from Thor not holding back and unleashing all of his powers, can Glaiator tank Thor most powerful blast like Godblast, Anti force, Thermo-blast etc I say no can Thor survive Gladiator best, yes!
Originally posted by Damborgson
Opinions sometimes get mixed up with facts sadly. Just like the fact that the Hulk is stronger than Thor. It could be my opinion that Thor is stronger, but I'd still be wrong.