Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Brief KO? Hulk was out longer than Thor was when Hulk smashed him into the ground after being shocked that Longhair was still conscious.In any case, Thor has clearly beaten the Hulk and Hulk's "domination" over Thor is usually (though not always) plot dependent.
Concession accepted. LTBB is the only conclusive fight between them.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't consider either a win. There are various fight that would've to re-define if we go to that criteria. Hulk KOED Thor two times in that story btw.Concession accepted. LTBB is the only conclusive fight between them.
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You don't consider a KO to be a win? wat
Who conceded anything? Lol @ LTBB being the only conclusive fight between them, though.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
?You don't consider a KO to be a win? wat
Who conceded anything? Lol @ LTBB being the only conclusive fight between them, though.
"Hulk only dominates thor because of plot" is a laughable excuse.
What else is conclusive between them?
Originally posted by abhilegend
A brief knock out isn't a conclusive win. By that token hulk beat thor twice in that story."Hulk only dominates thor because of plot" is a laughable excuse.
What else is conclusive between them?
Hulk was KOd and carried around by Thor through portals. Where did Hulk beat Thor twice?
Try re-posting what I said in its proper context instead of twisting my words like you're wont to do. When Thor fights Hulk down to his level, tossing aside Mjolnir and engaging him in melee and refusing to use his weather based powers, that's the very definition of plot based fighting. To that end, Hulk has an edge that only grows over time and is where the vast majority of him looking superior (or "dominating"😉 Thor comes from.
The annual was conclusive and pretty much cemented how the two stand against one another: Hulk holds an edge in anything resembling melee centric or melee only brawling, but when Thor uses his powers, the tide is turned and then some. Fear Itself was pretty much a blatant example of this as a less than optimal conditioned Thor was able to one shot kill an amped Thing and then one shot BFR Hulk into space.
Hulk was koed.
http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%201/3.jpg.html
Don't know why anyone is doubting this.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThat was the brief KO. Hulk woke up almost immediately after that. When he KOED thor twice.
Hulk was KOd and carried around by Thor through portals. Where did Hulk beat Thor twice?Try re-posting what I said in its proper context instead of twisting my words like you're wont to do. When Thor fights Hulk down to his level, tossing aside Mjolnir and engaging him in melee and refusing to use his weather based powers, that's the very definition of plot based fighting. To that end, Hulk has an edge that only grows over time and is where the vast majority of him looking superior (or "dominating"😉 Thor comes from.
The annual was conclusive and pretty much cemented how the two stand against one another: Hulk holds an edge in anything resembling melee centric or melee only brawling, but when Thor uses his powers, the tide is turned and then some. Fear Itself was pretty much a blatant example of this as a less than optimal conditioned Thor was able to one shot kill an amped Thing and then one shot BFR Hulk into space.
Thor doesn't fights down to hulk's level, its how he fights in character. As for discarding mjolnir, that happened only once and hulk smashed thor's face in when that happened. Most of the time thor uses mjolnir against hulk and even entered warrior madness against him, used lightning and shit. Hulk still came superior to him.
LTBB and AVX confirmed hulk as being above Thor not in just raw strength. BFRing a guy who can't fly just before admitting that he can't win against him isn't a conclusive win. In fact merged hulk manhandled WM Thor and BFRed him with one punch? Is that a win for hulk?
Originally posted by abhilegend
That was the brief KO. Hulk woke up almost immediately after that. When he KOED thor twice.Thor doesn't fights down to hulk's level, its how he fights in character. As for discarding mjolnir, that happened only once and hulk smashed thor's face in when that happened. Most of the time thor uses mjolnir against hulk and even entered warrior madness against him, used lightning and shit. Hulk still came superior to him.
LTBB and AVX confirmed hulk as being above Thor not in just raw strength. BFRing a guy who can't fly just before admitting that he can't win against him isn't a conclusive win.
When did he KO Thor twice?
Yeah, he does. Thor doesn't fight the Hulk as he fights pretty much everyone else. You can't be serious about this. He completely fights on Hulk's terms. Most of the time he uses Mjolnir as a club against Hulk. Very rarely, if ever, does he use lightning or hurricanes or any of his other powers. Even Hulk fans acknowledge this. Hell, most people who know anything about the characters realize this.
LTBB was a dubious instance of Hulk's superiority for a couple of reasons and how exactly did AvX showcase Hulk being above Thor not just when it came to raw strength?
He BFRed a guy while he was a far cry from 100% after saying he could never beat him...even though he already has.
It's pretty conclusive that if Thor actively uses his powers against Hulk, the end result is in far greater doubt that if he uses melee only.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
When did he KO Thor twice?Yeah, he does. Thor doesn't fight the Hulk as he fights pretty much everyone else. You can't be serious about this. He completely fights on Hulk's terms. Most of the time he uses Mjolnir as a club against Hulk. Very rarely, if ever, does he use lightning or hurricanes or any of his other powers. Even Hulk fans acknowledge this. Hell, most people who know anything about the characters realize this.
LTBB was a dubious instance of Hulk's superiority for a couple of reasons and how exactly did AvX showcase Hulk being above Thor not just when it came to raw strength?
He BFRed a guy while he was a far cry from 100% after saying he could never beat him...even though he already has.
It's pretty conclusive that if Thor actively uses his powers against Hulk, the end result is in far greater doubt that if he uses melee only.
No he doesn't. He fights hulk like he does 99% of people. You can argue it all you want, mjolnir is a glorified club most of the time. He has used lightning and storms against hulk and hulk has shrugged them off like in IH 440 and Hulk annual. Don't start "majority acceptence" here.
LOL @ being dubious. Nice try jake. Cap going for hulk for firepower instead of thor.
You didn't answer me. Is merged hulk BFRing WM Thor a win for him? Hulk would still beat him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
One time when he knocked the mountain on him and the othe time when he repeteadly punched him after jumping him.No he doesn't. He fights hulk like he does 99% of people. You can argue it all you want, mjolnir is a glorified club most of the time. He has used lightning and storms against hulk and hulk has shrugged them off like in IH 440 and Hulk annual. Don't start "majority acceptence" here.
LOL @ being dubious. Nice try jake. Cap going for hulk for firepower instead of thor.
You didn't answer me. Is merged hulk BFRing WM Thor a win for him? Hulk would still beat him.
He wasn't KO'd when the mountain was dropped on him. And Thor got up moments after Hulk jumped him.
Yeah, he does, unless you want to dismiss all the time Thor has used his powers in fights. He certainly doesn't fight Hulk like he does "99% of people", so really, I'd either not use blatant hyperbole to serve your own arguments or actually prove that Thor fights without using his powers more often than he doesn't. He was very clearly staggered by the lightning used against him in #440 of Incredible Hulk and was actually knocked out by it in the Hulk annual, so, yeah, not sure where you're getting your info from because it ain't comics. Lol at "don't start majority acceptance" here. Why? Why wouldn't you want our unbiased peers to offer their opinion? Unless you think you're going to be picked on or ridiculed again, in which case, that's really nobody's fault but your own.
It very much was dubious in the context of the comic. Why would Cap go to Thor when Thor was already there with the Avengers? Recruiting Hulk in of itself doesn't mean Hulk > Thor. It was about getting all the help they could muster. And Thor still took on the Force itself prior to that, which had destroyed a planet and herald.
Depends on the context, obviously. Based on the people Thor's beaten when he's used his power at his disposal and how effective said powers are on Hulk when he actually uses them, it's extremely doubtful.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't consider either a win. There are various fight that would've to re-define if we go to that criteria. Hulk KOED Thor two times in that story btw.Concession accepted. LTBB is the only conclusive fight between them.
If ko's don't count as wins; then Superman never beat Thor, right?
