Avengers vs Death Eaters

Originally posted by Robtard
Jane Foster: Describe exactly what happened to you last night.
Thor: Your ancestors called it magic...
[Thor skims through a book on Norse mythology]
Thor: ...but you call it science. I come from a land where they are one and the same.

Conclusion: Technomagic.

Actually, you might have it right.

Definition of SCIENCE
1 : the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding

2 a: a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study <the science of theology>

b: something (as a sport or technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge <have it down to a science>

3 a: knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method

b: such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena : natural science

4 : a system or method reconciling practical ends with scientific laws <cooking is both a science and an art>

Hell, using those definitions, the HPverse magic could also be argued to be the same as science.

Originally posted by ares834
Easily answered, their technology "evolved" along a very different path.

Nay. Current lesser "Earth" technology wouldn't exist without computers and machines. Unless Asguardians have super intelligence, they would not have advanced so far without the aid of computing power or machines. I don't care how you evolve, you can't get past this. From a primitive species, you begin with basic tools, you use tools to build things that allow you to build more advanced things, so on and so forth. There is a disconnect here apparent in Thor's civilization - they have advanced powers, everything else is low tech, and no sign of the lesser technology that gave rise to the advanced technology.

Random Qs: How do they build their buildings? Do they have manufacturing plants somewhere? Most of their operations seem manual. But some of their products seem too fine to have been made by primitive tools, which is all they seem to have (in the comics we know this is the case).

Originally posted by Silent Master
Like I said, if the statement can't be back up, then it's worthless in a debate.

Do you have any proof that they were using tech and not just magical artifacts?

Its almost cute how ignorant you are. And your short meaningless answers are even cuter. From now on you shall be known as derp.

Originally posted by Placidity
Nay. Current lesser "Earth" technology wouldn't exist without computers and machines. Unless Asguardians have super intelligence, they would not have advanced so far without the aid of computing power or machines. I don't care how you evolve, you can't get past this. From a primitive species, you begin with basic tools, you use tools to build things that allow you to build more advanced things, so on and so forth. There is a disconnect here apparent in Thor's civilization - they have advanced powers, everything else is low tech, and no sign of the lesser technology that gave rise to the advanced technology.

Random Qs: How do they build their buildings? Do they have manufacturing plants somewhere? Most of their operations seem manual. But some of their products seem too fine to have been made by primitive tools, which is all they seem to have (in the comics we know this is the case).

We could argue this all day. But bad writing and bad set design dont make for proff in the vs threads.

Originally posted by Placidity
Nay. Current lesser "Earth" technology wouldn't exist without computers and machines. Unless Asguardians have super intelligence, they would not have advanced so far without the aid of computing power or machines. I don't care how you evolve, you can't get past this. From a primitive species, you begin with basic tools, you use tools to build things that allow you to build more advanced things, so on and so forth. There is a disconnect here apparent in Thor's civilization - they have advanced powers, everything else is low tech, and no sign of the lesser technology that gave rise to the advanced technology.

As you say here "current lesser 'Earth' technology" could not exist without computers. The key word there being "Earth". BTW, we don't need computers for much of the tech we use today. A pen and paper can do marvelous things assuming you know the correct equations. BTW, this disconnect is there even if we believe they use magic as they clearly use highly advanced tech as well as we see with the Destroyer.

Originally posted by Placidity
Random Qs: How do they build their buildings? Do they have manufacturing plants somewhere? Most of their operations seem manual. But their products seem too fine to have been made by primitive tools, which is all they seem to have (in the comics we know this is the case).

I'll be honest, I don't know. However, the problem is still there even if we assume the Asgardians do use magic. The logical answer would of course be they know some spell we don't see in the films, however, we can use the same logic assuming they are a tech based race and claim they use some sort of tech we don't see in the films.

Originally posted by Placidity
Nay. Current lesser "Earth" technology wouldn't exist without computers and machines. Unless Asguardians have super intelligence, they would not have advanced so far without the aid of computing power or machines. I don't care how you evolve, you can't get past this. From a primitive species, you begin with basic tools, you use tools to build things that allow you to build more advanced things, so on and so forth. There is a disconnect here apparent in Thor's civilization - they have advanced powers, everything else is low tech, and no sign of the lesser technology that gave rise to the advanced technology.

Random Qs: How do they build their buildings? Do they have manufacturing plants somewhere? Most of their operations seem manual. But some of their products seem too fine to have been made by primitive tools, which is all they seem to have (in the comics we know this is the case).

Lack of visible technology doesn't necessarily mean it never existed or was needed to begin with, depending. And granted, there are obvious disconnects, like Thor riding a horse and not zipping around in super-asgardian-flying car.

But where are you getting this from, iirc, all we saw of Asgard was some building shots, some inside shots, the Bifrost and it's "launcher". Nothing screamed out "it has to be magic."

Originally posted by Robtard
Lack of visible technology doesn't necessarily mean it never existed or was needed to begin with, depending. And granted, there are obvious disconnects, like Thor riding a horse and not zipping around in super-asgardian-flying car.

But where are you getting this from, iirc, all we saw of Asgard was some building shots, some inside shots, the Bifrost and it's "launcher". Nothing screamed out "it has to be magic."

I think people are far underestimating the Death Eaters here. They don't even need the AK curse. They can just use stupefy (did I spell that right?) and render all of them immobile. They are also capable of making shields.

Regardless of how durable they might be, non of the Avengers have any defense against magic, except maybe Thor since he's somewhat semi-magical in origin and IM since his armor may protect him somewhat.

Claiming that Hulk (or any of the Avengers) is more durable to magic simply due to his strength and toughness is like claiming an mma fighter is less susceptible to tear gas than the normal man.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I think people are far underestimating the Death Eaters here. They don't even need the AK curse. They can just use stupefy (did I spell that right?) and render all of them immobile.

Regardless of how durable they might be, non of the Avengers have any defense against magic, except maybe Thor since he's somewhat semi-magical in origin and IM since his armor may protect him somewhat.

Claiming that Hulk (or any of the Avengers) is more durable to magic simply due to his strength and toughness is like claiming an mma fighter is less susceptible to tear gas than the normal man.

It has been shown that objects can block spells.

And i would argue that the tougher you are the less susceptible you are to tear gas. Now tasers are a different story lol.

Originally posted by ares834
As you say here "current lesser 'Earth' technology" could not exist without computers. The key word there being "Earth".

What I meant to say was, if it wasn't clear, that any human-like form/world/intelligence would advanced along the same paths earlier on. That is, fire, electricity, etc and eventually computers.

Originally posted by ares834
BTW, we don't need computers for much of the tech we use today. A pen and paper can do marvelous things assuming you know the correct equations.

So can you build a rocket with a pen and paper? Heck, you wouldn't even have a pen or paper without machines.

So guys, why is Odin unimaginably more powerful than everyone else? Who gave him head admin access?

Originally posted by Placidity
What I meant to say was, if it wasn't clear, that any human-like form/world/intelligence would advanced along the same paths earlier on. That is, fire, electricity, etc and eventually computers.

Perhaps. Of course, as a work of fiction it doesn't have to do so.

Originally posted by Placidity
So can you build a rocket with a pen and paper? Heck, you wouldn't even have a pen or paper without machines.

Straw man. I never said I could nor did I say we could build everything.

Also, pens and paper can be constructed with very simple machines.

Originally posted by Placidity
So guys, why is Odin unimaginably more powerful than everyone else? Who gave him head admin access?

He is the king. The former King could have given him "head admin access" for all we know.

Originally posted by omgchos
Thats what i keep saying. Its all speculation without dialogue. And it looks like youve done what i thought was impossible in this thread and backed up your argument kudos sir kudos. Im gonna go see if he says that... i think thor is on netflix still.

thnx homie. and i lol'd at the derp pic.

but yea technomagic is what it seems to come down to. the bifrost (conveniently with its slot and key operation) seemed less magical, but then some shots of asgard showed literal floating buildings. more on the mystical side of things dont you think? and what about odins "hall of weird" with all those artifacts? casket of ancient winters, Infinity Gauntlet, The Eternal Flame, Warlock's Eye, The Orb of Agamotto to name some. dont these items seem "mystical" to say the least. now im not going on record to say MAGIC not technology. just pointing out that the line, especially with these powerful and maybe even "mystical" objects, is sort of blurred. hope u guys understand what im trying to say.

Originally posted by wallman77
thnx homie. and i lol'd at the derp pic.

but yea technomagic is what it seems to come down to. the bifrost (conveniently with its slot and key operation) seemed less magical, but then some shots of asgard showed literal floating buildings. more on the mystical side of things dont you think? and what about odins "hall of weird" with all those artifacts? casket of ancient winters, Infinity Gauntlet, The Eternal Flame, Warlock's Eye, The Orb of Agamotto to name some. dont these items seem "mystical" to say the least. now im not going on record to say MAGIC not technology. just pointing out that the line, especially with these powerful and maybe even "mystical" objects, is sort of blurred. hope u guys understand what im trying to say.

Originally posted by omgchos
Btw he does say master of magic. It sonds like a nickname tho, but its a contradiction nonetheless.

lol maybe the writers and branagh had a disagreement...or a brain lapse half way through filming.

Well im fairly positive it was all phoned in for the sake of the avengers movie.

Originally posted by ares834

He is the king. The former King could have given him "head admin access" for all we know.

This is pretty much what I am trying to get people to say while feeling silly (or not, who knows) at the same time.

Ok guys, you win, I just found the draft synopsis for Thor 2:

Thor 2 will be a prequel about how they came to develop tech powers but cleverly disguised it as "magic" for fun. For example Odin whispering "enchantments" to a hammer, which was really a voice command to the advanced AI computer inside the hammer. We will discover that it was actually Odin Stark Snr who discovered the tech (by the way he had a son on Earth, the ancestor of Howard Stark of course). Odin Stark Snr, who was actually an evil nerd scientist, killed all the other scientists so that only he would have the mighty tech powers, he also destroyed all technology and scientific knowledge in the whole world so that no one would be able to replicate it and challenge his power. One day his son, Odin Jnr (father to Thor) discovered his father's treachery. He challenged Odin Snr to a old fashioned duel (as opposed to a high tech one) and defeated him. With his father laying there dying, Odin Jnr took the all-spark from his father and merged it into himself. "With great power comes great responsibility" said Odin Jnr, and he vowed to use his powers for good. Odin Jnr fought many marvelous battles, including fighting space tech demons, Storm Troopers and the Frost Giants who were experts in high-tech Cryo-fusion weaponry. Having hit old age, Odin Jnr retired and settled down being King, head engineer and CEO of Odin Corp where he teaches science to others. Because he is saturated with "science" at work, to get away from his work at home, he established a no tech (or visible tech) policy while inside his castle. This means only primitive tools and machines are allowed in his home. Of course, secretly, he had been working on a pet project, "The Destroyer" in his basement, building bits and pieces here and there when he had spare time. He eventually married and had a son who we know today as the brave warrior Thor! He adopted his son Loki, who was really a Frost Giant, but Odin Jnr easily used his knowledge of genetic engineering to suppress his Frost Giant genes. Together the brothers would have their own adventures, eventually leading up to the events of Thor!

......./thread

Tony stark buys guns for all the people of hogwarts...just to be nice...

Originally posted by Placidity
This is pretty much what I am trying to get people to say while feeling silly (or not, who knows) at the same time.

Ok guys, you win, I just found the draft synopsis for Thor 2:

Thor 2 will be a prequel about how they came to develop tech powers but cleverly disguised it as "magic" for fun. For example Odin whispering "enchantments" to a hammer, which was really a voice command to the advanced AI computer inside the hammer. We will discover that it was actually Odin Stark Snr who discovered the tech (by the way he had a son on Earth, the ancestor of Howard Stark of course). Odin Stark Snr, who was actually an evil nerd scientist, killed all the other scientists so that only he would have the mighty tech powers, he also destroyed all technology and scientific knowledge in the whole world so that no one would be able to replicate it and challenge his power. One day his son, Odin Jnr (father to Thor) discovered his father's treachery. He challenged Odin Snr to a old fashioned duel (as opposed to a high tech one) and defeated him. With his father laying there dying, Odin Jnr took the all-spark from his father and merged it into himself. "With great power comes great responsibility" said Odin Jnr, and he vowed to use his powers for good. Odin Jnr fought many marvelous battles, including fighting space tech demons, Storm Troopers and the Frost Giants who were experts in high-tech Cryo-fusion weaponry. Having hit old age, Odin Jnr retired and settled down being King, head engineer and CEO of Odin Corp where he teaches science to others. Because he is saturated with "science" at work, to get away from his work at home, he established a no tech (or visible tech) policy while inside his castle. This means only primitive tools and machines are allowed in his home. Of course, secretly, he had been working on a pet project, "The Destroyer" in his basement, building bits and pieces here and there when he had spare time. He eventually married and had a son who we know today as the brave warrior Thor! He adopted his son Loki, who was really a Frost Giant, but Odin Jnr easily used his knowledge of genetic engineering to suppress his Frost Giant genes. Together the brothers would have their own adventures, eventually leading up to the events of Thor!

on your sausage?