Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Says who? Seems like everyone is putting the probes on high herald and trans level then claiming an entire team of mostly heralds can't beat one when Superman, a high herald, has wrecked multiple probes.
An all out superman who was specifically meant to be vastly stronger than usual and considered a peer to H/P doomsday was destroying the probes. Normal superman even with the aid of mongul struggled with just a single probe.
Superman, who lacks energy manipulation, defeated a number of them.What does energy manipulation has to do with power? FYI kyle amped by Ion force got steamrolled by a single probe. The same kyle contained a portion of the imperiex himself.
This team has atleast 3 energy manipulator and 3 speed blitzer can't take out a probe?Blitzer? Who is even close to superman's speed in these chumps?
Hard to believe it. Most of these guys kill at least one, some as much as Superman did.
It took the JLA going all out to take one Probe out, and if it was not for Superman explaining the armor WW would have never done what she did. The 2nd Probe left thinking it was over cause Aquaman was going to get beat down, and all was left was WW. They would had been in trouble if not for Superman. Superman/Mongul together was having trouble with just one. He finally stopped holding back when he found out it was not alive.. Even then the explosion took its toll on him. Annihilators could win but would be very close (considering Kyle was nearing Ion power at the time). Trans level for Probes as well.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiTrue, Mordru certainly has some sub-skyfather showings. Overall, though, he's generally considered a skyfather.
I think most of what you say here is fair and logical.. I would just add one thing and variable not stated... Mordru... has, at times been shown to be less than Skyfather level as well. So, him being let's say Trans level.. would mean a herald could give him a fight.. moving down the scale you put up. Thus, it could also prove that probes were high herald level as well IF Mordru was operating at lower levels.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Answer the question bro.
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Nova, Norrin. I'd include FAGladiator but he can't even manage a decent bfr, let alone be smart enough to blitz. You know, with him being a stupid worthless POS character and all.
WWK only said that the team has 3 blitzers, the question of rather or not they're as fast as Superman is (redundant) baggage that you added in and you know it lol.
Didn't the initial probe that Superman fought take on the 100,000 powered up Daxamites?
I'd have to dig out the issues, but I'm pretty sure that story was told before the big reveal that there even was an Imperiex Prime, making it pretty much about that probe.
I may be wrong, but going to dig through all my boxes to find a story that old would be a pain, but I'll do it if no one else knows offhand.
It just seemed that no one witnessed the Imperiex outside of the Probes, prior to the end of Our Worlds at War.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingNo.
Says who? Seems like everyone is putting the probes on high herald and trans level then claiming an entire team of mostly heralds can't beat one when Superman, a high herald, has wrecked multiple probes.Superman, who lacks energy manipulation, defeated a number of them. This team has atleast 3 energy manipulator and 3 speed blitzer can't take out a probe? Hard to believe it. Most of these guys kill at least one, some as much as Superman did.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Says who? Seems like everyone is putting the probes on high herald and trans level then claiming an entire team of mostly heralds can't beat one when Superman, a high herald, has wrecked multiple probes.Superman, who lacks energy manipulation, defeated a number of them. This team has atleast 3 energy manipulator and 3 speed blitzer can't take out a probe? Hard to believe it. Most of these guys kill at least one, some as much as Superman did.
According to some, OWAW Superman and Doomsday are at least elite skyfather level.
Originally posted by JuntaiYou're right:
Didn't the initial probe that Superman fought take on the 100,000 powered up Daxamites?I'd have to dig out the issues, but I'm pretty sure that story was told before the big reveal that there even was an Imperiex Prime, making it pretty much about that probe.
I may be wrong, but going to dig through all my boxes to find a story that old would be a pain, but I'll do it if no one else knows offhand.
It just seemed that no one witnessed the Imperiex outside of the Probes, prior to the end of Our Worlds at War.
But like I said, the Probes' high-end feats don't matter here. Apparently 5 heralds would be able to do what 100,000 solar powered Daxamites (+Daxamite tech) were unable to.
