Originally posted by the Darkone
He absorbed Surtur after defeating Seth, he absorbed Surtur into himself, show's you don't know what the hell you are talking about.Sun-dipped Superman at best with rings mid/high trans level, still why below Odin who can literally de-power Superman with a gesture and send him back to small-ville on a gurney, Odin will own Superman so fast it wouldn't be funny.
Now go read some comics troll!!
LOL Superman beats Odin here with ease.
You don't even know how powerful a sun dip Superman is. Why even post in this thread?
The rings are able to absorb energy too. Trust me this fight will have nothing to do with someone absorbing someone's power.
Superman will probably accidentally killing or seriously hurting Odin.
Fight should be Superman with rings against Odin and not a sun dipped.
Originally posted by h1a8
LOL Superman beats Odin here with ease.
You don't even know how powerful a sun dip Superman is. Why even post in this thread?The rings are able to absorb energy too. Trust me this fight will have nothing to do with someone absorbing someone's power.
Superman will probably accidentally killing or seriously hurting Odin.
Fight should be Superman with rings against Odin and not a sun dipped.
Says the guy who admits he's only read 50 or so Thor comics.
Mjolnir's energy absorbing is superior to the rings. And Odin >>>> Mjolnir. So, no, I don't really trust you that energy absorbiing won't be a factor here, especially considering the rings have, under Johns, consistently been shown to have finite charges and power levels.
That's less likely than Odin accidentally effecting every plane of existence fighting Superman.
Odin would beat the crap out of that less powerful Superman than the one here whom he'd also beat.
Originally posted by Igniz
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/DevilOdin/Thor400-32.jpgDoes this answer your question?
As for this thread, Odin wins.
I read that before. Didn't make nothing out of it since Surtur was already defeated. It wasn't like Odin did it against Surtur's will.
See that is what I mean. People just say feats of Thor and Odin out of context. That's why I trust nothing any Thor fan says. They are serious con artists.
Superman wins 10/10
Originally posted by h1a8
I read that before. Didn't make nothing out of it since Surtur was already defeated. It wasn't like Odin did it against Surtur's will.
See that is what I mean. People just say feats of Thor and Odin out of context. That's why I trust nothing any Thor fan says. They are serious con artists.Superman wins 10/10
Odin just recently (as in a month or two ago) causally warped the energy Surtur gave off which was described as universal scale in destructive power. This is a guy who's been consistently portrayed as being a galaxy buster when he goes all out and has feats even higher than that.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This ranges from a good fight to Odin brutalizing Superman's anus by stuffing Galaxies into them while pounding Ma Kent.Unfortunately, if Superman survives, he's probably going to ask for seconds.
Anyway superman with less time of sundip overpowered Imperiex powered engines of warworld and was beyond the capability of Brainiac 13 with imperiex power to harm him. He beats this old puny god to death.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Odin just recently (as in a month or two ago) causally warped the energy Surtur gave off which was described as universal scale in destructive power. This is a guy who's been consistently portrayed as being a galaxy buster when he goes all out and has feats even higher than that.😬
Originally posted by abhilegend
So beneath the power level of Imperiex powered Brainiac 13 even at his highest feats? The same brainiac 13 couldn't even budge superman from throwing his entire planets while exerting all energy at his disposal.
Odin at his best was effecting shit on a multiversal scale if you want to go that route. And that was him basically just punching and shooting blasts, not attempting to mind rape, stop time, or warp energy blasts, soul rape/manipulate, etc.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Says the guy who admits he's only read 50 or so Thor comics.Mjolnir's energy absorbing is superior to the rings. And Odin >>>> Mjolnir. So, no, I don't really trust you that energy absorbiing won't be a factor here, especially considering the rings have, under Johns, consistently been shown to have finite charges and power levels.
That's less likely than Odin accidentally effecting every plane of existence fighting Superman.
Odin would beat the crap out of that less powerful Superman than the one here whom he'd also beat.
Yes to Mjolnir absorbing better than the rings. But that doesn't say mean Odin can absorb the power of the rings against the ring wielder's will. Even if he can then it certainly doesn't mean it would happen right away. It could take hours to fight away the energy.
A few things:
1. Odin doesn't USUALLY (key word) fight like that, absorbing peoples power while fighting them. Otherwise he would have been shown absorbing Thanos, and mostly everyone else he's ever fought. If Odin does something 1 out of 1000 times in comics then he will do it 1 out of 1000 in a forum. Isn't this how you guys argue against me?
2. Superman is not going to sit there and allow him to do such things. Superman is faster and will have Odin on the defensive, assuming Odin can even respond to his actions.
3. People hear are underestimating a Superman supdip. Probably many here are saying Odin wins without having read the issues where Superman was sundipped. IMO Superman is already has a greater physicality than Odin. A sundip would be unfair IMO.
4. If Mjolnir has a superior feat in a particular category than Odin has then Odin can only be said to have at least equal that power and not much greater (until proven otherwise). We based things off feats and what comics show. In other words, Odin must show being vastly superior to Mjolnir in a particular category in order for it to be accepted.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Odin just recently (as in a month or two ago) causally warped the energy Surtur gave off which was described as universal scale in destructive power. This is a guy who's been consistently portrayed as being a galaxy buster when he goes all out and has feats even higher than that.😬
More con artist talk I see.
Surtur is not consistently seen as a galaxy buster, not even close. Not even 5% of his appearances.
Feats>>>>>>>statements and opinions, otherwise Sentry would have the power of a million exploding suns and stalemated Galactus.
Warping energy is not pulling it from someone who's fighting to keep it or trying to pull from you.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Odin at his best was effecting shit on a multiversal scale if you want to go that route. And that was him basically just punching and shooting blasts, not attempting to mind rape, stop time, or warp energy blasts, soul rape/manipulate, etc.
Effecting shit on a multiversal scale doesn't prove offensive power or durability.
Superman can simply pimp slap Odin into a coma before Odin can even act.
I'm exaggerating but stop thinking Superman won't be the first to act or that Superman will sit there and allow Odin to do what he wishes. You are arguing from bias and you don't see it.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Odin at his best was effecting shit on a multiversal scale if you want to go that route. And that was him basically just punching and shooting blasts, not attempting to mind rape, stop time, or warp energy blasts, soul rape/manipulate, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes to Mjolnir absorbing better than the rings. But that doesn't say mean Odin can absorb the power of the rings against the ring wielder's will. Even if he can then it certainly doesn't mean it would happen right away. It could take hours to fight away the energy.A few things:
1. Odin doesn't USUALLY (key word) fight like that, absorbing peoples power while fighting them. Otherwise he would have been shown absorbing Thanos, and mostly everyone else he's ever fought. If Odin does something 1 out of 1000 times in comics then he will do it 1 out of 1000 in a forum. Isn't this how you guys argue against me?
2. Superman is not going to sit there and allow him to do such things. Superman is faster and will have Odin on the defensive, assuming Odin can even respond to his actions.
3. People hear are underestimating a Superman supdip. Probably many here are saying Odin wins without having read the issues where Superman was sundipped. IMO Superman is already has a greater physicality than Odin. A sundip would be unfair IMO.
4. If Mjolnir has a superior feat in a particular category than Odin has then Odin can only be said to have at least equal that power and not much greater (until proven otherwise). We based things off feats and what comics show. In other words, Odin must show being vastly superior to Mjolnir in a particular category in order for it to be accepted.
Um, yes, yes it does mean that. Considering what Mjolnir has absorbed on panel, it certainly does mean that it could absorb the energy of the rings against the will of the user. Said user could defend against such a method with various degree of success, but Mjolnir's ultimately going to win such a contest. Every time Mjolnir's been actively used to absorb energy, it happens pretty much as soon as the ability is invoked, not hours, so not sure where you go that idea from.
1. Okay, concerning Thanos, I'm going to do a forum a favor here and now and completely dispel the myth that fight is indicative of Odin fighting at his absolute best or going all out or is anywhere close to being the "best fight he's had in eons" just because he said so in that comic. Thanos didn't once threaten Odin's life or cause him grievous energy. Not once. On the other hand we have many fights where Odin was going all out (both in abilities used and collateral damage) where his well being was threatened. Surtur, Ymir, Mangog, the Enchanters, Dark Gods, World Eaters, etc. All these people actually threatened Odin on some level. Thanos? He freakishly endured a lot of punishment from Odin who hadn't even begun to tap into the higher levels of his powers. You can call it Starlin being Starlin and trying to make Thanos look good or a random statement which has no merit when you actually look at feats and prior examples or whatever. But at the end of the day, Thanos was hardly a threat or danger to Odin.
Anyway, Odin's used absorbing when pressed against the likes of Surtur, and has done more exotic methods of victory such as against Mangog and the Enchanters and the Dark Gods, notably people who have actually threatened Odin more so than Thanos. So, as far as I'm concerned Thanos' fight with Odin isn't even in the top five for the All-Father. So, ultimately, moot point.
2. Odin possesses heightened awareness akin to a form of clairvoyence/low level omniscience and can perceive events happening across the universe (as well as literally fight across the universe). So, no, I don't see Superman being "omgz too fast/speed blitz" for Odin to handle.
3. So the majority here who've voted for Odin haven't read OWAW, yet the guy claiming Superman wins here admittedly hasn't read a whole lot of Thor comics (and has also admitted to reading Thor solely to argue Superman against him as it's primary goal/topic in debating) has room to talk? And then you say that Thor fans take shit out of context and "can't be trusted"? That's hypocrisy. And it's plain to see.
4. Odin enchanted Mjolnir and the Odin Force is undoubtedly significantly superior to it. This can't even be debated or argued against. And it's been shown and stated in comics god knows how many times. facepalm
Originally posted by h1a8
More con artist talk I see.
Surtur is not consistently seen as a galaxy buster, not even close. Not even 5% of his appearances.
Feats>>>>>>>statements and opinions, otherwise Sentry would have the power of a million exploding suns and stalemated Galactus.Warping energy is not pulling it from someone who's fighting to keep it or trying to pull from you.
Surtur has on panel busted a galaxy and has on panel manifested energy to bust a galaxy without Twilight, which is a universal scale weapon. Odin's numerous feats speak for themselves.
Sentry doesn't have on panel feats of being possessed of a million exploding suns nor on panel stalemated Galactus, so fail analogy.
Originally posted by h1a8
Effecting shit on a multiversal scale doesn't prove offensive power or durability.
Superman can simply pimp slap Odin into a coma before Odin can even act.
I'm exaggerating but stop thinking Superman won't be the first to act or that Superman will sit there and allow Odin to do what he wishes. You are arguing from bias and you don't see it.
If the energy you're out putting and being assailed with is being felt on every plane of reality and threatening the safety of said multiverse, yes, it does. 😐
You're exaggerating? Good to know.
Glass houses, pot meet kettle, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8
More con artist talk I see.
Surtur is not consistently seen as a galaxy buster, not even close. Not even 5% of his appearances.
Feats>>>>>>>statements and opinions, otherwise Sentry would have the power of a million exploding suns and stalemated Galactus.Warping energy is not pulling it from someone who's fighting to keep it or trying to pull from you.
Originally posted by Igniz
Surtur destroying a Galaxy to create the infamous Twilight Sword.From Thor#337http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/PowerLvl/DGalaxy/Thor_V1337_p01.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/PowerLvl/DGalaxy/Thor_V1337_p02.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/PowerLvl/DGalaxy/Thor_V1337_p03.jpgThis scene shows Surtur finally completing the Twilight Sword.From Thor#345
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/PowerLvl/DGalaxy/Thor_345-21.jpg
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Surtur accumulated enough power to destroy all the Nine Realms of Yggdrasil and then the rest of the multiverse via Otherworld :
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13621575/Thor-Zone-007.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13621576/Thor-Zone-008.jpg.htmlScans courtesy of Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Igniz
Surtur Vs Thor(w/ Twilight Shadow Sword).From Thor Vol 4 #21http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/Fights/VsThorF4/ThorV4-21-13.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/Fights/VsThorF4/ThorV4-21-14.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/Fights/VsThorF4/ThorV4-21-15.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/Fights/VsThorF4/ThorV4-21-16.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/Fights/VsThorF4/ThorV4-21-17.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/Fights/VsThorF4/ThorV4-21-18.jpg
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Originally posted by Igniz
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You didn't invalidate my argument.
I said Surtur is not even seen 5% of the time as a Galaxy buster.
Then you going to post 3 scenes (lol at scans of Surtur creating the Twilight Sword) like that is suppose to help. So you posted 3 scenes out of how many appearances does Surtur have? Do the math!
Also feats>>>>>>>>statements. Otherwise Sentry has the power of a million exploding suns and stalemated Galactus. The only true Galaxy busting feat we have is Surtur making the twilight sword.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
K.Odin's battle was felt across every plane of existence while basically just brawling.
LOL he wasn't just brawling but shooting blasts and shit. Read the words again Jake, I think you misinterpret the scene.
Lastly, a battle felt across the multiverse doesn't imply offensive power or more importantly DURABILITY. Magic allows one to meddle with dimensions without even causing harm.
