Collossus vs Lady Death Strike

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A panel is a single snap shot in time, for all we know his claws continued in after that moment. 😎

Adamantium can cut through virtually anything, and Wolverine has carved up more durable beings than Colossus with minimal effort. Saying a non amped Wolverine can't cut Colossus is absurd, all you can say is that he hasn't... yet.

Anyway... here's how holding back Col deals with Amperine
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_012.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_014.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_015.jpg

Then he came out of nowhere all unexpected like, and this happened:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_016.jpg

So it wasn't really a fight as opposed to Wolverine showcasing his claws with an irrelevant amp.

I think he can stuff Lady Death inside her own box if we use that fight.

EDIT: I'm not saying that Wolverine can't cut Colossus, just that super ****ing amped Wolverine cutting him isn't the best evidence is all.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You've the longest arms on the forum

Anyway... here's how holding back Col deals with Amperine
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_012.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_014.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_015.jpg

Then he came out of nowhere all unexpected like, and this happened:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_016.jpg

So it wasn't really a fight as opposed to Wolverine showcasing his claws with an irrelevant amp.

I think he can stuff Lady Death inside her own box if we use that fight.

EDIT: I'm not saying that Wolverine can't cut Colossus, just that super ****ing amped Wolverine cutting him isn't the best evidence is all.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You've the longest arms on the forum

Anyway... here's how holding back Col deals with Amperine
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_012.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_014.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_015.jpg

Then he came out of nowhere all unexpected like, and this happened:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_004_016.jpg

So it wasn't really a fight as opposed to Wolverine showcasing his claws with an irrelevant amp.

I think he can stuff Lady Death inside her own box if we use that fight.

EDIT: I'm not saying that Wolverine can't cut Colossus, just that super ****ing amped Wolverine cutting him isn't the best evidence is all.

What do you imagine would have happened if Helverine had decided to do something other than shit talk while Colossus was holding him like that?

I wasn't using the Helverine fight as evidence, my saying "outside of" and "other than," when referring to examples of Wolverine v Colossus that aren't Helverine should have made it clear that I see a distinction between the two. That said, the amp was completely irrelevant. Base Wolverine has cut out more durable characters than Colossus with minimal effort. Why should I assume that in this instance the amp was paramount in facilitating the events that transpired, when he has done better without it? Even ignoring Helverine, nothing in Wolverine's canon suggest he would have much trouble cutting Colossus... in fact that is direct on panel narration that states Colossus organic steel is no match for Wolverine's claws. Outside of Wolverine actually eviscerating Piotr I'm not sure how much clearer things could be laid out...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What do you imagine would have happened if Helverine had decided to do something other than shit talk while Colossus was holding him like that?

I wasn't using the Helverine fight as evidence, my saying "outside of" and "other than," when referring to examples of Wolverine v Colossus that aren't Helverine should have made it clear that I see a distinction between the two. That said, the amp was completely irrelevant. Base Wolverine has cut out more durable characters than Colossus with minimal effort, why should I assume that in this instance the amp was paramount in facilitating the events that transpired? Even ignoring Helverine, nothing in Wolverine's canon suggest he would have much trouble cutting Colossus... in fact that is direct on panel narration that states Colossus organic steel is no match for Wolverine's claws. Outside of Wolverine actually eviscerating Piotr I'm not sure how much clearer things could be laid out...

It's just that when you say things like "irrelevant amp" and "intrinsic armor pen", it sends a message...

BTW, has "intrinsic armor pen" ever been stated on panel?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Get thrown faster

It's just that when you say things like "irrelevant amp" and "intrinsic armor pen", it sends a message...

BTW, has "intrinsic armor pen" ever been stated on panel?

More like Colossus would have lost an arm, but it was more important to brag about Satan stuff. 😎

Helverine was like a demon Jesus, he had plenty of amps that allow for feasts base Wolverine could never replicate. This particular example just isn't one of them. Based on feats Wolverine is more than capable of doing the same thing.

Not off the top of my head. They just say "It can cut through anything!!!" and no one has bothered to explain why the metals invulnerability has anything to do with it's demonstrated cutting power.

I thought Colossus was solid metal? How can he bleed like that I wonder.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Looks like he had to tap into some extra power to cut him because before that his claws just bounced off. Anybody remember that Colossus ripoff called Warhawk? He could turn into metal and Logan's claws just bounced off him.

It's called a glancing blow. It's the plot shield that saves Wolverine's opponent 99% of the time in hero v hero fights:

Do you think Wolverine's claws just bounced of Punisher too?

So basically everytime Logan slices sombody and it don't do any damage it's a glancing blow. Got it. 😉

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
More like Colossus would have lost an arm, but it was more important to brag about Satan stuff. 😎

Helverine was like a demon Jesus, he had plenty of amps that allow for feasts base Wolverine could never replicate. This particular example just isn't one of them. Based on feats Wolverine is more than capable of doing the same thing.

Not off the top of my head. They just say "It can cut through anything!!!" and no one has bothered to explain why the metals invulnerability has anything to do with it's demonstrated cutting power.

Maybe. But I don't think it's feasible to just say a sizable strength amp was irrelevant.

Because it's really ****ing sharp and unbreakable? And Wolverine has enough strength to cut most chars. Some make no sense to me, but whatever.

Like Gladiator for example, the ease in which he did it (and Wolverine flying) was kind of questionable. But even Black Cloak has jammed a dull staff through Glad's penis, so it's not unreasonable he could cut him with his strength.

Some characters won't cut as easy, some will be shredded, some won't cut at all. I don't think this is due to an auto pass(that hasn't been stated in comics), but rather strength, piercing resistance, and really sharp claws.

Originally posted by 8swords
would that even work on him?

Well, it did in Astonishing X-Men.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
So basically everytime Logan slices sombody and it don't do any damage it's a glancing blow. Got it. 😉

More or less.

If Wolverine connects cleanly with the vast majority of characters... he'll kill them. That is less then ideal for Marvel from a money making stand point so if a character can't take a hit from Wolverine, then they probably won't. Usually this can be explained via Wolverine not actively trying to kill other superheroes.

Much like Hellverine, Lady Deathstrike is stronger and faster than regular Logan. Or at least claimed to be. Said even her claws were sharper 😎

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
More or less.

If Wolverine connects cleanly with the vast majority of characters... he'll kill them. That is less then ideal for Marvel from a money making stand point so if a character can't take a hit from Wolverine, then they probably won't. Usually this can be explained via Wolverine not actively trying to kill other superheroes.

Wolverine has terrible accuracy if he can only land a glancing blow on a heroic pose Colossus

He wasn't in his right mind and in the Hellverine instance it kinda looks like he tried to sidestep it.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Wolverine has terrible accuracy if he can only land a glancing blow on a heroic pose Colossus

😂

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Wolverine has terrible accuracy if he can only land a glancing blow on a heroic pose Colossus

Wolverine wasn't home.

LOL@ Wolverine fans.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine wasn't home.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He wasn't in his right mind and in the Hellverine instance it kinda looks like he tried to sidestep it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine's never serious cut / hurt Black Widow either... doesn't mean he can't.

Piotr and Logan have never had a real fight outside of Helverine (who cut up Colossus like he was made of rice paper), other than that Wolverine has only scored him with glancing blows. If Wolverine ever connected cleanly with Colossus, possessed by demons or otherwise, he'd cleave right through him.

Bullshit.

Logan lacks the physical power to push his claws into Piotr's armor.

Lady D gets owned 2x here.

stop wanking Logan btw