Imperium of Man vs Galactic Empire

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Imperium's planetary defense grids are defense enough.

Good luck destroying or taking over a planet that has enough firepower to obliterate a moon in a single firing, or cause the local star to go nova with a full bombardment.

As seen in Know No Fear.

Anyway.

The Sun-Crusher blows up Terra and Mars in one swoop by making the sun explode.

With Terra and Mars gone the rest of the Imperium literally descends into chaos and anarchy. They've also lost FTL capabilities by losing the Emperor. Daemons infest the Galaxy; the Galactic Empire leaves the Galaxy and goes back to their own.

qed

Now wait just a cotton picking minute!

No way is the Sun Crusher just going to waltz into what is presumably the most fortified location in the galaxy and blow up the fvcking sun.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Not to my knowledge.

Ares, be a peach and clarify the matter of Force adepts and 40k gamechangers. The Book of Sith indicates Sidious was mastering Force Storms shortly after his ascent. I think he should be barred from using them here.

If there is sufficient evidence that he can use them as of Episode 6, I'd say let him use them.

Also all of the GE's force users and IoM's psykers are involved.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Now wait just a cotton picking minute!

No way is the Sun Crusher just going to waltz into what is presumably the most fortified location in the galaxy and blow up the fvcking sun.

The planets in the solar system are all really far away from the sun though, and it takes the Sun-Crusher, what, 5 minutes to fire one of its torpedos after it leaves hyperspace?

Imperium won't even know it's there before it's too late, tbh.

edit- Also, I challenge the notion a 40K's planetary defenses could fend off an Imperial attack. Sources, please.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
The planets are fortified. The Sun-Crusher, even for all its durability, would probably get destroyed pretty quickly hovering around those planets.

The planets in the solar system are all really far away from the sun though, and it takes the Sun-Crusher, what, 5 minutes to fire one of its torpedos after it leaves hyperspace?

Imperium won't even know it's there before it's too late, tbh.

edit- Also, I challenge the notion a 40K's planetary defenses could fend off an Imperial attack. Sources, please.

"Unchecked the death cultists gained access to part of the defence missile silo network, and in a suicidal rage unleashed a rain of atomic and plasma warheads which shattered its hive cities and succeeded in disrupting the planet's orbit for several years. The reuslting permanent winter, radioactive fallout and tectonic upheavals annihilated all life on Cygnax."

To be able to noticeably disrupt a planet's orbit would require firepower going into the exatons. This would be more then enough to blow apart any attacking Imperial fleet.

Sun-Crusher is a game breaker though, yeah. The only way the Imperium could feasibly counter it is if The Emperor or some other high-class psyker can know what would happen before it does.

So you're proposing a hit and run, of sorts? I approve.

Problem: They're not going to know that Holy Terra is the seat of the Emperor and that they should blow it up anymore than the IoM is going to know where Sidious is and that they should lance him.

Even if a probe passes Terra without exploding, it's not going to pick up any information of the sort.

Also, IIRC the Suncrusher doesn't exist during the period from which the GE is attacking.

According to Wookieepedia (and I hate that phrase, I do not consider Wookieepedia to be a valid canonical source so understand that I do not believe this is necessarily the case), the Sun Crusher was built in conjunction with the first Death Star thanks to diverted funds from that project courtesy of Tarkin.

Of course why it was never applied against the Rebellion is a mystery.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
According to Wookieepedia (and I hate that phrase, I do not consider Wookieepedia to be a valid canonical source so understand that I do not believe this is necessarily the case), the Sun Crusher was built in conjunction with the first Death Star thanks to diverted funds from that project courtesy of Tarkin.

Of course why it was never applied against the Rebellion is a mystery.

This kind of thing is why I hate the EU.

I believe their explanation for it is something along the lines of: "the Death Star was completed first, Tarkin died before he could make use of it himself, and Palpatine didn't know."

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
They did that with chaos magic helping out, clown.

The Chaos Magic was used to weaken the veil, allowing high level Daemons to be spawned more easily, and to create Warp Storms which would sever contact between Imperial forces.

Having checked the dates, prior to the battle of Endor the sun crusher was an unknown.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No they didn't. That is a lie.

The Chaos Magic was used to weaken the veil, allowing high level Daemons to be spawned more easily, and to create Warp Storms which would sever contact between Imperial forces.

Is the Warp itself (even without chaos monstrosities) considered an external threat or not in this scenario?

I'm considering making a Homestuck Kids vs the Imperium of Man thread. Just for the delicious Nemebro tears when his dudes get punked by 4 13 year olds.

WH probably wins here though.

TBH, I'm not sure if the Empire has the Sun Crusher as of Endor. It may still be in development.

Originally posted by AmbientFire
Is the Warp itself (even without chaos monstrosities) considered an external threat or not in this scenario?

Nah, I wouldn't consider it an external threat in this scenario. However, while Daemons are fine no Chaos Space Marines.

Originally posted by ares834
TBH, I'm not sure if the Empire has the Sun Crusher as of Endor. It may still be in development.

Nah, I wouldn't consider it an external threat in this scenario. However, while Daemons are fine no Chaos Space Marines.

It was found, sure, but it could have been created well before then. Even prior to Endor.

Anyway, from what I know there is not enough info to say either way.

It was created before then, but it was lost when the only person who knew about it died. It's not available until it's discovered in ABY 11, lol. Endor was ABY 4, IIRC.

Nah, it was in the Maw Instillation which was under Admiral Daala's command. It was still part of the Empire even if the majority of them were unaware of them.

Also it appears Palpatine was aware of the Maw Installation.

"Due to the secret nature of the experiments being done at the Maw, outside communications were, for the most part, forbidden. With the exception of this circuit, Daala and her crew were cut off from the rest of the galaxy save for the Emperor himself, and perhaps Darth Vader."