Originally posted by srankmissingninIt wouldnt be anything but a rehash of every other Wildstorm-related debacle you somehow manage to bring to these threads.
If you actually bothered to offer up a rebuttal to anything I've said in this thread, I'd happily tear you apart just like I always do, but it seems all you can muster is feeble insults attacking my intelligence... which is funny because you lack the reading comprehension to even figure out what this thread is even about or which characters are involved. I appreciate you saving me some time and making yourself look like a fool on your own though.
Your insecurity over Wildstorm streets is glaringly obvious. As is the underlying motivation behind it. If you had a lick of sensibility or tact, you could make a compelling argument. As it stands, all you do is scream and pout like a child when presented with clear facts and feats that demonstrate their formidability and act like they don't count and anything that tends against your cgaracter somehow didnt happen.
I mean, Midnighter possessing superior strength enough to kick tank shells, punch around superbricks, spit teeth like high calibur rounds doesnt actually mean he has superior strength. Right... And entire years of Wolverine's published history (first 7 years and Way's entire Origins run) doesn't count. Right...
You can't just plug your ears and close your eyes and drag everyone down below Wolverine's level so transparently and expect amything but derision. Youdrag the likes of Thor and Gamora down below Wolverine. And your championing of Cap in vs. Spidey, Batman threads and now this Midnighter thread ian't anything but thinly veiled attempts to promote Wolverine over them by proxy because Cap supposedly has no chance against Wolverine.
You can surprise me and prove yourself capable of coherent rationality if you'd at least admit that Wolverine's brain has been penetrated. But when you can't even do that... well... are we really to expect a rational constructive conversation?
No. I stuck my foot in my mouth here with misreading the opening post. So I'm not going to take the time to utterly deconstruct the hilarity of your Wolverithmetic-inspired trollery. I'd only entertain an actual constructive debate.
That doesn't begin with you arbitrarily pretending like Midnighter has no feats that count or that he hasn't done anything impressive or that the basic traits of his character (i.e. his enhanced physiology and his battle cpu) somehow can be completely disregarded. It's more of the same Wolverithmetics sh1t. You haven't purchased any benefit of the doubt by pretending to wave an American flag when it's just covering up your Wolverboner. Again.
Surprise us. Or don't... and continue trolling Batman and Deathstroke (and now Midnighter) fans with your transparent crusade to put over Wolverine by championing Cap with the same garbage Wolverithmetics: ask for feats that make X character look good, ignore them or pretend they dont count with hypocrisy and childishly willful ignorance, ask for more feats, ignore them again, rinse and repeat.
Originally posted by ODG
It wouldnt be anything but a rehash of every other Wildstorm-related debacle you somehow manage to bring to these threads.Your insecurity over Wildstorm streets is glaringly obvious. As is the underlying motivation behind it. If you had a lick of sensibility or tact, you could make a compelling argument. As it stands, all you do is scream and pout like a child when presented with clear facts and feats that demonstrate their formidability and act like they don't count and anything that tends against your cgaracter somehow didnt happen.
I mean, Midnighter possessing superior strength enough to kick tank shells, punch around superbricks, spit teeth like high calibur rounds doesnt actually mean he has superior strength. Right... And entire years of Wolverine's published history (first 7 years and Way's entire Origins run) doesn't count. Right...
You can't just plug your ears and close your eyes and drag everyone down below Wolverine's level so transparently and expect amything but derision. Youdrag the likes of Thor and Gamora down below Wolverine. And your championing of Cap in vs. Spidey, Batman threads and now this Midnighter thread ian't anything but thinly veiled attempts to promote Wolverine over them by proxy because Cap supposedly has no chance against Wolverine.
You can surprise me and prove yourself capable of coherent rationality if you'd at least admit that Wolverine's brain has been penetrated. But when you can't even do that... well... are we really to expect a rational constructive conversation?
No. I stuck my foot in my mouth here with misreading the opening post. So I'm not going to take the time to utterly deconstruct the hilarity of your Wolverithmetic-inspired trollery. I'd only entertain an actual constructive debate.
That doesn't begin with you arbitrarily pretending like Midnighter has no feats that count or that he hasn't done anything impressive or that the basic traits of his character (i.e. his enhanced physiology and his battle cpu) somehow can be completely disregarded. It's more of the same Wolverithmetics sh1t. You haven't purchased any benefit of the doubt by pretending to wave an American flag when it's just covering up your Wolverboner. Again.
Surprise us. Or don't... and continue trolling Batman and Deathstroke (and now Midnighter) fans with your transparent crusade to put over Wolverine by championing Cap with the same garbage Wolverithmetics: ask for feats that make X character look good, ignore them or pretend they dont count with hypocrisy and childishly willful ignorance, ask for more feats, ignore them again, rinse and repeat.
Jesus spare us your juvenile diatribe. You accuse me of throwing a childish temper tantrum and being unable to make a compelling argument to support my stance... and then you launch into this nonsense? Have some self respect. Virtually nothing in this entire post is on-topic. What does your illogical rant, vituperating Wolverine have to do with anything in this thread (other than an obvious Straw man attempt)? This thread is about Captain America and Midnighter. If you aren't knowledge to debate the merits of either character... then why bother posting?
Midnighter kicked a tank shell and spit his tooth really hard!!! Wooooooooooooow!!!! Seriously, put your scabby erection away and send some blood flow to your brain for a second. Remember when I said Midnighter has two feats that would suggest he could maybe beat Cap? Well that's them... and they are both PIS. Nothing else Midnighter has done suggest those feats are with in his abilities to accomplish. Nothing. They are EXTREME outliers. His next best strength feat is bending a small portion of rail road track, and after that, swinging fridge like a baseball bat. Those are several orders of magnitude removed from one another.
Even if we pretend that feat is relevant to Midnighter's baseline, how does that give Midnighter a win over Cap? Do you really want to open to float gates and allow the use of PIS feats? Against Captain America? Are you really that oblivious to his history that you believe that's a good idea? Christ, he's done practically the same dame thing as Midnighter's missile kick. He's jumped into the water, knocked an incoming torpedo up with his shield, then kicked it back at the destroyer that fired it. Which is SIGNIFICANTLY more impressive, because that shit all happened under water! This is Captain America we are talking about, you can name any PIS example you want in favour of Mids, and guess what? Caps done something better. And lets be real, neither of those two things old a candle to something like Captain America one shotting the Hulk.
Captain America's feats are better than Midnighters. There is no debate to be had on this suspect, it's just an objective fact that can not be argued by a rational mind. Cap's baseline middle of the road feats are better than Midnighters. Cap's high end top of the line PIS feats are better than Midnighters. Apparently you want to stack Cap's baseline middle of the road feats, up against Midnighter's irrelevant high end top of the line PIS feats... and I'm the one with an agenda?
Aside from Digi the only support Midnighter has garnered are irrelevant one sentence "Midnighter wins" statements from people too stupid to back up their thoughts, and a non-nonsensical tyrant about Wolverine from our resident jester ODG.
I've been over this all before, in great length, with posters who were actually willing to debate the subject. Feat for feat, Captain America vs Midnighter, Steve always comes out on top; and when Midnighter runs out of feats to draw from Cap still has thousands more in his back catalog.
If someone believes that Midnighter can actually win this they should step up and try to prove it.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin"I know you are but what am I?" That's essentially your retort. I am accusing you of arbitrary dismissal of Midnighter's feats. That's been demonstrated over countless threads. As is your completely retarded debating habits where you can't even accept what clearly happens on-panel. But you know what? Fine, let's not make this about you and your unanimously-ridiculed Wolverfag status here. I'm sorry that I tried to cut to the chase from the get-go rather than patiently entertain your diatribe whilst completely deconstructing you over a dozen pages. Let's see if we can actually have a constructive debate about Captain America and Midnighter. Five dollars that it'll be the same "show me x character's feats; wtf those don't count because I'm butthurt over them; show me others; wtf those don't count either for some stupid reason; so you're giving up showing me feats???; haha I somehow win by attrition."
Jesus spare us your juvenile diatribe. You accuse me of throwing a childish temper tantrum and being unable to make a compelling argument to support my stance... and then you launch into this nonsense? Have some self respect. Virtually nothing in this entire post is on-topic. What does your illogical rant, vituperating Wolverine have to do with anything in this thread (other than an obvious Straw man attempt)? This thread is about Captain America and Midnighter. If you aren't knowledge to debate the merits of either character... then why bother posting?
Originally posted by srankmissingninSee, the thing is, here is more of the same Wolverithmetics. Pretend that feats don't happen because you don't like them. You are constitutionally incapable of reading the comics for what they are. Midnighter demonstrated feats well beyond Cap's ability to accomplish -- consistent with his meta stats -- but they don't count. I mean... we even had a mod ruling on this where if this stuff couldn't be re-verified with later appearances (at a time when Wildstorm was completely winding down), they were to be considered Karnak/Cho-esque feats from his battle cpu or PIS. Somehow, you've accomplished ruling out the former when????
Midnighter kicked a tank shell and spit his tooth really hard!!! Wooooooooooooow!!!! Seriously, put your scabby erection away and send some blood flow to your brain for a second. Remember when I said Midnighter has two feats that would suggest he could [b]maybe beat Cap? Well that's them... and they are both PIS. Nothing else Midnighter has done suggest those feats are with in his abilities to accomplish. Nothing. They are EXTREME outliers. His next best strength feat is bending a small portion of rail road track, and after that, swinging fridge like a baseball bat. Those are several orders of magnitude removed from one another. [/b]
Originally posted by srankmissingninBecause Midnighter's baseline is more impressive than Cap's. He routinely curbs metas outright (not as the perrenial underdog like Cap) and fights H2H against superbricks like Apollo, Lobo and yes, even Trans-level characters like the Rogue Doctor. Show me where Cap gets kicked across an entire landscape by a being like the Rogue Doctor and tank it well enough to make a wry comment as he's being hurtled towards a mountain. And I don't even remember this Hulk being one-shot by Cap you're referring to. But by all means, post that at the same time you're posting the equivalent of Midnighter's.
Even if we pretend that feat is relevant to Midnighter's baseline, how does that give Midnighter a win over Cap? Do you really want to open to float gates and allow the use of PIS feats? Against Captain America? Are you really that oblivious to his history that you believe that's a good idea? Christ, he's done practically the same dame thing as Midnighter's missile kick. He's jumped into the water, knocked an incoming torpedo up with his shield, then kicked it back at the destroyer that fired it. Which is SIGNIFICANTLY more impressive, because that shit all happened under water! This is Captain America we are talking about, you can name any PIS example you want in favour of Mids, and guess what? Caps done something better. And lets be real, neither of those two things old a candle to something like Captain America one shotting the Hulk.
Originally posted by srankmissingninNo debate? Don't be so stupid. Name Cap's best PIS feats then. Show me what you've got. You really think I haven't read every single god damned appearance of Cap? You're really appealing to some high-end feats that I haven't accounted for?
Captain America's feats are better than Midnighters. There is no debate to be had on this suspect, it's just an objective fact that can not be argued by a rational mind. Cap's baseline middle of the road feats are better than Midnighters. Cap's high end top of the line PIS feats are better than Midnighters. Apparently you want to stack Cap's baseline middle of the road feats, up against Midnighter's irrelevant high end top of the line PIS feats... and I'm the one with an agenda?
You really sit there on your dumb a$$ and assume that I don't know Cap's baseline? This'll be rich.