Originally posted by Zack Fair
I'm a hardcore MGS fanboy, but it has some issues and sometimes I feel like its an acquired taste.I think all 3 franchises(ME/MGS/Halo) are in the same tier. Its just that MGS is their grand daddy. I wish Halo PC was still playable. Never played that one online =[
Not to be rude as I can see that you is a fan but how is Halo in the same tier as MGS? Halo was not very innovative, its campaigns are completely fomrulaic, and its story is mediocre. Don;t comfuse Halo's popularity with how good the games actually are, they may make for addictive multiplayer experience, similar to stuff like COD but any critical assessment of the series will show you that it really isnt that great a series.,
Mass Effect isn't in the same tier either. It is interesting how it almost makes an entire gameplay genre out of the choices you get to make but the corefcore of the gameplay isn;t anything special at all.
MGS is in a tier of its own, namely the incredibly very high production values, incredible storyline, incredibly innovative, varied and dense gameplay, and the shit ton of quirky humour and educational experience Hideo Kojima injects into the games.
So it is just MGS4 you have problem with?
Since that it only main series gaem that has been released since 3 and I dobut you have played the spinofffs. Anyway you speak as if there have been loads of games in the series since 3, when it is just MGS4.
Your completely wrong about MGS4 btw, there was lots about the gameplay that was innovative.
Off the top of my head:
The split screen gameplay boss battle/cinematic fight scene.
The Shadow Moses Recreation level.
The mission where you have to track someone through the jungle by observing realistic tracking indiciators such as soil markings.
The mission where you have to follow someone through a city area, not only having to keep track of him and not lose him and prevent him froms eeing you, but also using stealth to avoid surveilance cameras and partol units.
The online multiplayer mode which introduced a bunch of stuff since its coutnerpart in 3 and continued adapting the MGS gameplay into multiplayer senarios.
Plus all the new weapons and gadgets that are unlike anything from any other stealth games or previous mhgs games, such as the octocamo.
That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could be missing some big tuff and lots of minor things too, it's been 4 years since I played it.
And we'll ignore your opinion on its story...
Dear Nepthys,
You are not to be taken seriously on this matter.
A because you is a major toolbag.
and B because you get all your info about MGS not from playing the games yourself but from reading stuff others who have have written about it.
Sincerely, Mortis.
Also you're making fun of what was actually a joke in the game for the record.
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
In what ways doesn't it? You'd have to get really specific and random to find stuff Mass Effect does better than MGS.
I'd wager that Mass Effect's story is as good as MGS.
Gameplay is just as good; just different.
Character development, Mass Effect wins by a fair bit, though MSG has a flair for the unusual.
And before you ask, I've been playing MGS games since the NES. I physically owned/own MGS 1-4 also.
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
So it is just MGS4 you have problem with?Since that it only main series gaem that has been released since 3 and I dobut you have played the spinofffs. Anyway you speak as if there have been loads of games in the series since 3, when it is just MGS4.
Your completely wrong about MGS4 btw, there was lots about the gameplay that was innovative.
Off the top of my head:
The split screen gameplay boss battle/cinematic fight scene.
The Shadow Moses Recreation level.
The mission where you have to track someone through the jungle by observing realistic tracking indiciators such as soil markings.
The mission where you have to follow someone through a city area, not only having to keep track of him and not lose him and prevent him froms eeing you, but also using stealth to avoid surveilance cameras and partol units.
The online multiplayer mode which introduced a bunch of stuff since its coutnerpart in 3 and continued adapting the MGS gameplay into multiplayer senarios.
Plus all the new weapons and gadgets that are unlike anything from any other stealth games or previous mhgs games, such as the octocamo.
That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could be missing some big tuff and lots of minor things too, it's been 4 years since I played it.
And we'll ignore your opinion on its story...
I've played every MGS ever made.
Nothing you listed is innovative.
I accept your concession. MGS has the worst stories in gaming.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'd wager that Mass Effect's story is as good as MGS.Gameplay is just as good; just different.
Character development, Mass Effect wins by a fair bit, though MSG has a flair for the unusual.
And before you ask, I've been playing MGS games since the NES. I physically owned/own MGS 1-4 also.
You have put very little thought into this post I can see.
Mass Effect's story is really nothing special at all bro. Main villain in Saren was compeltely inept and not even slightly interesting, the main story was nothing original or groundbreaking at all (shephard coming into contact with alien artifact, and gaining knowledge of their alien coulture, the prelude to alien invasion) and the characters were for the most part incredibly flat, from the terrible (kaiden, ashley) to decent at best (wrex, garrus).
You think you can get away with this ridiculous statement because its all a matter of opinion but guess what buddy it isnt at some point it is matter of fact and mass effect is not anywhere near as good as MGS.
Nope, terrible shooting and behicule driving emchanics, nothing innovative whatsoever, how can you think you can get awya with this ridiculous comment? It is different, and it is nowhere near as good.
Nope it doesn't, you just think you can get away with this another ridiculous comment because its known for being a character driven story and being able to talk to your teasmmates in dynamic conversation system, but no it is not as good.
Characters in MGS are far more interesting and well thought out, and the amount of focus you get on the main characters and villains is just as much as Mass Effect.
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And before you ask, I've been playing MGS games since the NES."
btw this is factually incorrect statement.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
I've played every MGS ever made.Nothing you listed is innovative.
I accept your concession. MGS has the worst stories in gaming.
Perhaps one day we can have serious discussion about this. That your efuse to do so and instead resort to trolling shows everyone that you know deep down that it is objectively superior to the likes of Halo and Mas Effect.
You have not p;layd Peace Walker.
Everything I listed was innovative.
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
You have put very little thought into this post I can see.Mass Effect's story is really nothing special at all bro. Main villain in Saren was compeltely inept and not even slightly interesting, the main story was nothing original or groundbreaking at all (shephard coming into contact with alien artifact, and gaining knowledge of their alien coulture, the prelude to alien invasion) and the characters were for the most part incredibly flat, from the terrible (kaiden, ashley) to decent at best (wrex, garrus).
You think you can get away with this ridiculous statement because its all a matter of opinion but guess what buddy it isnt at some point it is matter of fact and mass effect is not anywhere near as good as MGS.
Nope, terrible shooting and behicule driving emchanics, nothing innovative whatsoever, how can you think you can get awya with this ridiculous comment? It is different, and it is nowhere near as good.
Nope it doesn't, you just think you can get away with this another ridiculous comment because its known for being a character driven story and being able to talk to your teasmmates in dynamic conversation system, but no it is not as good.
Characters in MGS are far more interesting and well thought out, and the amount of focus you get on the main characters and villains is just as much as Mass Effect.
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And before you ask, I've been playing MGS games since the NES."btw this is factually incorrect statement.
Your attitude isn't helping, but whatever.
I'm talking about Mass Effect as a trilogy, so I'm not limiting myself to one game.
Mass Effect 2 and 3 put a hell of a lot of effort in to character development, even more than any MGS games, I would argue.
The shooting is fine as the games go on; by three it's pretty decent actually. The vehicles, while not perfect, are still more than playable.
Mass Effect is arguably the best game-based sci-fi IP of the last decade, if not longer.
Factually incorrect how? I once played Metal Gear on an NES. Factually correct, is more like.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Your attitude isn't helping, but whatever.I'm talking about Mass Effect as a trilogy, so I'm not limiting myself to one game.
Mass Effect 2 and 3 put a hell of a lot of effort in to character development, even more than any MGS games, I would argue.
The shooting is fine as the games go on; by three it's pretty decent actually. The vehicles, while not perfect, are still more than playable.
Mass Effect is arguably the best game-based sci-fi IP of the last decade, if not longer.
Factually incorrect how? I once played Metal Gear on an NES. Factually correct, is more like.
You said MGS...
i have only played the first and I feel no great urge to play the rest for the time being. KOTOR series is far superior imo.
Unless they drastically improve writing and story/character designs I think I cna msotly expect more of the same from mass effect 1, which was enjoyable but nothign special whatsoever.
Gameplay is nothing innovative, special, influential etc. is my point and in me1 is it plain bad controls.
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortis
You said MGS...i have only played the first and I feel no great urge to play the rest for the time being. KOTOR series is far superior imo.
Unless they drastically improve writing and story/character designs I think I cna msotly expect more of the same from mass effect 1, which was enjoyable but nothign special whatsoever.
Gameplay is nothing innovative, special, influential etc. is my point and in me1 is it plain bad controls.
Semantics.
Without playing the rest, how can you know?
They did, but for some reason you won't try it out. It didn't get it's acclaim for nothing. In fact, Jack's character arc in ME2 is better than almost any I've seen in the MGS series, and that's in ONE game.
Were you just bad at the game, or something? The controls are fine (bar maybe the MAKO, and even that got easier once you got the hang of it). They get even better as the games go on.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
> Has only played one game out of a three game franchise.> Asserts that the franchise is objectively inferior to another.
Glad he conceded to me before the stakes got too high. He's probably never even played an MGS game.
I'm starting to wonder myself. I don't see how anyone can feel like they can judge an entire series based on one (which happens to be the earliest, and most flawed) part of it.
ME 1 has just as much accliam as the others champ. ME 3 is considered the worst in the series, with 2 as the best, but only marginally the best.
I played the intro of ME 2, is Jack the blakc guy?
From what I have read ME1 is of the same calibre in story as rest of the series, only way it really improved tremendously was gameplay, and is of same style. I have played Mass Effect 1, the kotor games, dragon age etc, they all have the same feel and same shortcomings, why should me2 and 3 be so different.
Did Shephard, kaiden and Ashley magically start becomign interesting.
I do plan on playing them actually, just not within next 3 years or so...
Controls were universally panned by critics for the record.
And you statement that jacks character arc beats any in mgs loses credibility by looking at your other comments, i.e. that mass effects gameplay is just as good.
Quite frankly friend I knwo of the uality of people like Snake, Big Boss, The Boss, I dont need to play a Bioware game to know that it will never match that kind of quality.
I only saw first 6 episodes of the vampire diaries, but i can say without having personal experience that there is no wya in hell episode 17 is not on par with the second episode in the godfather trilogy.