Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yet can't move the earth alone while not deprived of solar energy.. odd.
Did DCnU Superman attempt to move the Earth alone recently and failed?
In any case, I have no doubt that that strength feat is a ridiculous outlier designed to be a high end feat/upper limit test for Superman as well as being fan service for readers to go "Phuck yeah!11!!", but it's still canon and happened.
Originally posted by HorrificusShow me evidence that the Dark Dimension's durability itself is directly tied to the Mindless Ones' durability.
I'm not trying to lowball Hulk.And, my stand on the Mindless Ones is mostly in regard to their varying levels of strength and durability being directly linked to the changing and mixed nature of the Dark Dimension. As a matter of fact, for all we know, the parts of the Dark Dimension that the Hulk interacted with, may have been of such a nature that the actions taken by Hulk were even more astronomical than Hulk fans are even stating. Maybe that planet was as dense as a brown star and maybe that region of the dd actually drained gamma from the Hulk, in which case, his feats are more incredible than ever.
Originally posted by HorrificusSo you're speculating without any evidence, whatsoever? Presenting absolutely no evidence doesn't serve to produce doubt. It's one thing to make a mountain out of a molehill, but you're trying to make something out of nothing.
But, then again, maybe that planet was made out of spongecake and maybe that region of the dd was actually THE focal point of all gamma energy in the multiverse.My point is, we don't know. And, there is no way to nail down the properties of the region of the Dark Dimension that the Hulk fought within.
Originally posted by HorrificusIt's not one way or another based on absolutely no evidence. Where do you even get that from? You having no evidence other than irrelevant low feats from Mindless Ones doesn't change anything. If you really were trying to be fair, you'd have to equally consider the irrelevant high feats from the Mindless Ones. But you're not even doing that. This is a layer of hypocrisy on top of the unsubstantiated doubt you're trying to cast here.
One way or another. So, there is no lowballing going on here.I would imagine that Umar is likely the most consistent part of the Dark Dimension.
And Umar was having trouble with an entire race of Mindless Ones in that very same comic.
Originally posted by HorrificusThis... this doesn't have anything to do with the Mindless Ones somehow being used to downgrade the durability of a planet that was busted.
Also, I have posted before that I am and have been of the opinion that the Hulk's powers are not strictly physical and very often, he is moving outside the realm of strength and into areas of energy and matter manipulation. Possibly even a form of reality warping as well.I don't subscribe to all of his feats being a matter of strength.
Why don't you look at the actual story arc and find evidence that the materials in the Dark Dimension were fluffier than in the normal universe? Do you remember Red She-Hulk using a sword she found and giving WWH a huge gash? Or Arm'Chedon, Bi-Beast and Wendigo being restrained by chains in Umar's kingdom? I don't think swords/chains that are made of "Dark Dimension fluff" would do that. Granted, we shouldn't have to prove the negative here, but the notion might be so patently absurd that we're able to do so unequivocally.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThis sounds kind of weird, but lifting the Earth's weight in normal gravity (Bear with me here, comic physics and shit...) is probably not nearly as impressive as actually moving the whole ****ing planet out of the sun's orbit.
Yet can't move the earth alone while not deprived of solar energy.. odd.
Assuming comic writers know any of this, which is not likely.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Did DCnU Superman attempt to move the Earth alone recently and failed?In any case, I have no doubt that that strength feat is a ridiculous outlier designed to be a high end feat/upper limit test for Superman as well as being fan service for readers to go "Phuck yeah!11!!", but it's still canon and happened.
Probably a one time showing just like Grey Hulk busting up an asteroid twice the size of Earth. We will have to see if that type of strength remains consistent for the character (because it sure as hell was not consistent for Grey Hulk).
Originally posted by carver9
Probably a one time showing just like Grey Hulk busting up an asteroid twice the size of Earth. We will have to see if that type of strength remains consistent for the character (because it sure as hell was not consistent for Grey Hulk).
Not nearly the same thing.
Grey Hulk had help, and wasn't getting weaker.
So stop.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Did DCnU Superman attempt to move the Earth alone recently and failed?In any case, I have no doubt that that strength feat is a ridiculous outlier designed to be a high end feat/upper limit test for Superman as well as being fan service for readers to go "Phuck yeah!11!!", but it's still canon and happened.
Superman is supposed to be weaker not stronger. So if he failed to move the earth alone before... why would he have better luck now?
I agree with your last sentence, but only the last part on why the feat was put there. I don't think it was to show any limit, but it was to sell more superman blow up dolls to people like abhi when they see the feat.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiHe needed GL to make an apparatus so that he could do it. I don't recall him failing. The writer just didn't want to do the ridiculous Superman does a handstand and moves the planet effect[with no side effects even!] like he did frequently in the 70s. lol.
Yet can't move the earth alone while not deprived of solar energy.. odd.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Superman is supposed to be weaker not stronger. So if he failed to move the earth alone before... why would he have better luck now?I agree with your last sentence, but only the last part on why the feat was put there. I don't think it was to show any limit, but it was to sell more superman blow up dolls to people like abhi when they see the feat.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Superman is supposed to be weaker not stronger. So if he failed to move the earth alone before... why would he have better luck now?I agree with your last sentence, but only the last part on why the feat was put there. I don't think it was to show any limit, but it was to sell more superman blow up dolls to people like abhi when they see the feat.
He was only weaker when he started as a youngster. There's no rule that the new Superman has to be weaker than the previous one.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yet can't move the earth alone while not deprived of solar energy.. odd.
Preboot Superman could move the Earth alone.
His feat with Hal showed over 50Earth weights of force. Alone, he would have just moved it with half of the acceleration without Hal (assuming Hal even assisted in the pulling). Then we have the Mageddon feat, which clearly shows Superman being able to move Earth, and then some, alone.
F=ma
Remember the faster you move something the more force you apply. Moving the Earth 1m/s^2 requires 1/10th of the force than lifting the Earth, moving the Earth 10m/s (acceleration of gravity) requires the force of lifting the whole Earth, and moving the Earth 1mi/s^2 requires more than 150 Earth weights of force.
Originally posted by ODGI'm coming back. 😄
Show me evidence that the Dark Dimension's durability itself is directly tied to the Mindless Ones' durability. So you're speculating without any evidence, whatsoever? Presenting absolutely no evidence doesn't serve to produce doubt. It's one thing to make a mountain out of a molehill, but you're trying to make something out of nothing. It's not one way or another based on absolutely no evidence. Where do you even get that from? You having no evidence other than irrelevant low feats from Mindless Ones doesn't change anything. If you really were trying to be fair, you'd have to equally consider the irrelevant high feats from the Mindless Ones. But you're not even doing that. This is a layer of hypocrisy on top of the unsubstantiated doubt you're trying to cast here.And Umar was having trouble with an entire race of Mindless Ones in that very same comic. This... this doesn't have anything to do with the Mindless Ones somehow being used to downgrade the durability of a planet that was busted.
Why don't you look at the actual story arc and find evidence that the materials in the Dark Dimension were fluffier than in the normal universe? Do you remember Red She-Hulk using a sword she found and giving WWH a huge gash? Or Arm'Chedon, Bi-Beast and Wendigo being restrained by chains in Umar's kingdom? I don't think swords/chains that are made of "Dark Dimension fluff" would do that. Granted, we shouldn't have to prove the negative here, but the notion might be so patently absurd that we're able to do so unequivocally.
Not the most impressive punch ever but still extremely powerful and it's quantifiable.
A punch backed by 100 Trillion tons of k force:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/100395/1989238-hulk_611.png
http://members.shaw.ca/infinity/Images/IH_vs_Skaar_1.jpg
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Not the most impressive punch ever but still extremely powerful and it's quantifiable.A punch backed by 100 Trillion tons of k force:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/100395/1989238-hulk_611.png
http://members.shaw.ca/infinity/Images/IH_vs_Skaar_1.jpg
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Lol at Reed trying to pull him off the ground though .
