Originally posted by jmoul
RotS Anakin beat Dooku. Since Pre-Suit Vader was even more powerful than RotS Anakin, it only makes sense that, with the same body and much greater power, Vader rapes sh*t.
I agree.
That's essentially how Anakin beat Dooku the first time around - using his brute force to beat/wear Dooku down - and then out-technique him and surgically remove his hands.
Against Pre-suit Vader - Dooku is dealing with even more brute force this time - and although this "Anakin" would be less clear-headed than before - I still don't believe Dooku could hold up properly against Vader's brutal assaults.
Eventually, Vader would wear him down again, and take him out.
Originally posted by Rookwood
I agree.That's essentially how Anakin beat Dooku the first time around - using his brute force to beat/wear Dooku down - and then out-technique him and surgically remove his hands.
Against Pre-suit Vader - Dooku is dealing with even more brute force this time - and although this "Anakin" would be less clear-headed than before - I still don't believe Dooku could hold up properly against Vader's brutal assaults.
Eventually, Vader would wear him down again, and take him out.
Originally posted by Dolos
That's exactly what got him killed in the first place.Your opinions are completely contradictory to film and novelization continuity.
What got him killed was Anakin using his Rage but still fighting as a Jedi.
He didn't just lash out and kill Dooku like a maniac. He forced him back with power, skillfully out maneuvered him and still was NOT going for the kill until the fight was over and Palpatine goaded him to.
Whilst Pre-Suit Vader would be pretty easy to manipulate through Dun Moch. Just imagine Dooku saying "Go on... Make the jump you little s***"
Originally posted by Rookwood
Pre-Suit Vader was not as focused as his Zonakin-self - but he'll still win.
He was more focused, just more aggressive, to the extent that he was using higher level moves than he should have been. This would further smash Dooku's Makashi style, but Djem So had it's limits against Soresu, especially when you consider Vader constantly opened up his defense with these risky skillz, and his perpetual blitz maneuvers that put Obi-Wan back on defense were exhausting, the effect on Dooku would be far more favorable for the young Sith Lord. He was far more powerful than either of them, which was why in the end he was about to finally overpower Obi-Wan and break his defense ("this is the end for you"😉 before attempting an impossible maneuver, which failed with the consequence of a loss to his weaker master (guess he didn't overestimate your power).
Originally posted by Dolos
He was more focused, just more agressive, to the extent that he was using higher level moves than he should have been. especially when you consider Vader' constantly opened up his defense with the risky skillz, before attempting an impossible maneuver, which failed with the consequence of a loss
That all happened because he was less-focused than his Zonakin-self - he had just experienced a major psychotic-episode, following the betrayal of his allies, murder of young children, and finally, the murder of his beloved wife.
So he was very unstable, and by definition, very unfocused.
Hence all the ding-bat maneuvers, and him getting his ass handed to him by a weaker opponent.
Originally posted by Rookwood
That all happened because he was less-focused than his Zonakin-self - he had just experienced a major psychotic-episode, following the betrayal of his allies, murder of young children, and finally, the murder of his beloved wife.So he was very unstable, and by definition, very unfocused.
Hence all the ding-bat maneuvers, and him getting his ass handed to him by a weaker opponent.
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Honestly, I sympathize with Janus, Nai, and the others on this issue now more than ever. The power hierarchy in ROTS went fvcking nuts: Dooku ragdolls Obi-Wan, but gets pwned by Anakin, who in turn duels with Obi-Wan for 3.5 hours without any real progress; Sidious b1tchslaps three Jedi Masters, loses to Mace for no reason, then beats Yoda. The explanations Stover and others had to come up with in order to rectify this situation are horrible, but I give them so much credit for trying.
The Flanneled Chins clearly didn't give a shit.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Honestly, I sympathize with Janus, Nai, and the others on this issue now more than ever. The power hierarchy in ROTS went fvcking nuts: Dooku ragdolls Obi-Wan, but gets pwned by Anakin, who in turn duels with Obi-Wan for 3.5 hours without any real progress; Sidious b1tchslaps three Jedi Masters, loses to Mace for no reason, then beats Yoda. The explanations Stover and others had to come up with in order to rectify this situation are horrible, but I give them so much credit for trying.The Flanneled Chins clearly didn't give a shit.
George Lucas should be thankful for Special Effects - otherwise, if they hadn't been invented/developed, Star Wars would have bombed.
Lucas is just a terrible, terrible writer. 😬
But thankfully, he had Frank Herbert to rip off, and Special Effects to use - otherwise he'd be washing dishes in the back of a Waffle House, today.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm not jumping on the Lucas hatewagon, he's a talented man.
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Originally posted by The_Tempest
But he sucks at writing a few things: romantic dialogue & fight scenes.
Well yeah the romantic dialogue in AOTC wasn't the best.
But the SW fights are great fun.
But Yes we could have used a proper in movie explanation on the huge inconsistency in the Anakin>Dooku>Obi-Wan=Anakin, and yes Mace beating Sidious who then beat Yoda was just gay.
But that's all more down to inconsistencies required for the plot than it was down to bad fight scenes.
Originally posted by Rookwood
George Lucas should be thankful for Special Effects - otherwise, if they hadn't been invented/developed, Star Wars would have bombed.
You have no taste.
The OT blew the world away back in the day and not just because of special effects (although they were amazing for the time).
Forget Harry Potter and LOTR. Neither of them compare to the cultural success that was Star Wars back in the 70's and 80's.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You have no taste.The OT blew the world away back in the day and not just because of special effects (although they were amazing for the time).
Forget Harry Potter and LOTR. Neither of them compare to the cultural success that was Star Wars back in the 70's and 80's.
Considering all George Lucas did was essentially rip off Frank Herbert and use his material to create a childishly-simple movie about robots and lasers - yeah, pretty much - if Lucas had not had advanced Special Effects to use - it would have bombed.
If you have actually watched the behind-the-scenes featurettes on the making of Star Wars - the early draft-shoots of the film (with intention, originally) lacked advanced special effects.
Lucas knew without really good special effects, his movie, essentially just a rip-off of Frank Herbert's work - would bomb.
I saw Star Wars first, and then later became immersed in Dune, and later, having discovered the process in which Lucas had rendered the PT Trilogy, I realized he was nothing more than a very clever, and lazy, Hack.
He owes all his success to other people - and to Special Effects technology - without that, and Frank Herbert, he'd be nothing.
And I love Star Wars - what I am speaking of is merely the cold, hard Truth.