Achilles vs Daredevil
ROUND 1:
Achilles, from the film Troy
VS
Daredevil, from the film Daredevil
They are fighting in the Colosseum. They start ten feet apart. They know nothing of each other prior to the fight. To win one must kill or totally incapacitate the other. They are both in character. Achilles is armed with his spear, sword and shield and is wearing his armor, and Daredevil is armed with his modified billy-club and is wearing his costume.
Hmmm... first instinct tells me DD should take it, but then movie DD didn't normally take on fighters the caliber of Achilles. The three times DD did fight trained fighters (Elektra, Bullseye, and Kingpin) he got pretty banged up by two of them.
Achilles isn't as fast or as agile as DD, but he should be fast enough to keep up with Bullseye. Achilles is pretty strong as well, cutting off the head of a marble statue in one swipe and launching a spear from a distance that no man has ever done before. If DD had problems with Kingpin who's main advantage was just strength and size, beating up DD with walking stick, you could imagine how difficult DD will find Achilles' combination of strength, skill, and agility.
If it was h2h, I'd say DD takes this. But armed with their weapons, I think DD is a little bit short in the weapons department. I mean, billy club and leather costume against spear, sword, shield and armor?
Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Dude, DD was fast enough to aim dodge bullets. He'll have no trouble dodging Achilles.Bullets>>>>>Achilles speed.
DD was fast enough to get out of the trajectory of aimed bullets. He wasn't faster than the bullets themselves. If he truly was that fast, then he shouldn't have had trouble ducking and dodging around Kingpin. But you saw how that fight happened, he got the crap beat out of him, and Kingpin certainly seemed slower than Achilles.
Originally posted by Robtard
Which means DD will easily "see" said spear or sword thrust and not get hit.When he fought KP, he was worn and beaten already. he just soldiered on.
Achilles gets his ass beaten in by a guy dressed like he came out of the San Francisco gay-leather scene. Pretty much the only outcome of this match.
DD was perfectly fine when he fought Elektra. And though he wasn't taking her seriously, he did have trouble dodging her attacks (since he got stabbed and all).
Elektra doesn't have super speed last time I checked. And based on screen feats, Achilles > Elektra.
Originally posted by FrothByte
DD was perfectly fine when he fought Elektra. And though he wasn't taking her seriously, he did have trouble dodging her attacks (since he got stabbed and all).Elektra doesn't have super speed last time I checked. And based on screen feats, Achilles > Elektra.
Low showings do not > High showings
Originally posted by Robtard
Low showings do not > High showings
So you're just gonna pretend it never happened huh? He wasn't fast enough to dodge around all of Elektra's hits. Fact. Elektra has never been stated to have superhuman speed, neither has bullseye, or kingpin. Fact.
Every time DD has gone up against a skilled opponent, he struggled.
Heck, even in the bar fight, you see him fight off about 4-5 guys armed with billiard sticks and guess what, he was getting tagged. Sure he beat them up, but still he was getting hit.
Achilles attacked the beach of Troy seriously outnumbered and not once was he tagged. Achilles also never struggled with any opponent, regardless of skill level. The best Hector was able to do was scratch his armor.
I'm not even saying Achilles clearly wins this fight. H2H, I still think DD wins. Armed, it's a close match (definitely closer than what you guys give Achilles credit for). The reason I think Achilles wins with weapons is because DD only has his billy club which is a poor match to sword, spear, and shield.
Originally posted by FrothByte
So you're just gonna pretend it never happened huh? He wasn't fast enough to dodge around all of Elektra's hits. Fact. Elektra has never been stated to have superhuman speed, neither has bullseye, or kingpin. Fact.Every time DD has gone up against a skilled opponent, he struggled.
Heck, even in the bar fight, you see him fight off about 4-5 guys armed with billiard sticks and guess what, he was getting tagged. Sure he beat them up, but still he was getting hit.
Achilles attacked the beach of Troy seriously outnumbered and not once was he tagged. Achilles also never struggled with any opponent, regardless of skill level. The best Hector was able to do was scratch his armor.
I'm not even saying Achilles clearly wins this fight. H2H, I still think DD wins. Armed, it's a close match (definitely closer than what you guys give Achilles credit for). The reason I think Achilles wins with weapons is because DD only has his billy club which is a poor match to sword, spear, and shield.
So you're going to ignore that DD was fast enough to dodge thrown weapons, track bullets trajectories and avoid being shot in a relatively small area while gun fire was all around him?
Yes, Achilles was very impressive. He's still no DD.
That isn't just a "billy club", it's also a cane and a grappling hook which can be used to disarm and entangle. Achilles gets his face smashed.
edit: As far are your "Elektra hit him" argument. She only got one kick to his chest and this was while he was trying to reason with her and proclaiming his innocence while not trying to harm her.
The two other times were a A) kick (TO THE HEAD) she got in, when he was disorientated by the sheets. B) A sai to the shoulder after he grabbed her and was continuing to try and reason.
Originally posted by Robtard
So you're going to ignore that DD was fast enough to dodge thrown weapons, track bullets trajectories and avoid being shot in a relatively small area while gun fire was all around him?Yes, Achilles was very impressive. He's still no DD.
That isn't just a "billy club", it's also a cane and a grappling hook which can be used to disarm and entangle. Achilles gets his face smashed.
So DD dodged bullet trajectories.... Achilles isn't using a gun.
DD dodged projectiles... Achilles isn't using a bow and arrow or any projectiles for that matter.
What Achilles is using are melee weapons. Has DD been hit by melee weapons? Yes. Multiple times. By billiard sticks, by sais, by a walking cane, and by h2h combat.
Achilles has never been hit by any man while in combat.
DD has a billy club/cane/grappling hook... which aren't quite as lethal as a sword. A sword knicks DD in the thigh, he gets a wound. The club hits Achilles in the thigh, he gets a bruise.
The grappling hook can be useful to disarm and entangle, though I'm not sure DD would want to get into a tug-of-war with a guy as strong as Achilles.
Will Achilles have an easy time defeating DD, no. But DD is going to have hell of a time trying to take out Achilles.
Really now? DD can avoid being shot by multiple bullets and do backflips while evading shards of glass thrown by a guy with basically perfect aim, but a spear thrust from a guy without super-speed is going to over-tax his abilities?
See above, I went and found the fight with Elecktra. She got 1 valid kick in and this was while he was trying to reason with her and not fighting back. So your downplay of DD in that fight was just that, a downplay.
Incorrect. Hecter hit him in the sternum; if it wasn't for his armor, he would have been dead or severely ****ed up.
Nope, Achilles will trying to hit an opponent that can "see" his attacks coming as if they were at slower speeds and is fast enough to counter or dodge and attack back.
Originally posted by Robtard
Really now? DD can avoid being shot by multiple bullets and do backflips while evading shards of glass thrown by a guy with basically perfect aim, but a spear thrust from a guy without super-speed is going to over-tax his abilities?See above, I went and found the fight with Elecktra. She got 1 valid kick in and this was while he was trying to reason with her and not fighting back. So your downplay of DD in that fight was just that, a downplay.
Incorrect. Hecter hit him in the sternum; if it wasn't for his armor, he would have been dead or severely ****ed up.
Nope, Achilles will trying to hit an opponent that can "see" his attacks coming as if they were at slower speeds and is fast enough to counter or dodge and attack back.
Agreed.
Daredevil has transhuman abilities, 360 degree vision linked to the same part of the brain that his natural vision once was, and hypersensitive reactions to sonic stimuli that activate perfect neurokinetics and calisthenic muscle coordination that produce preternatural response times and super-humanly agile reactionary movements that are recovered from by a supernaturally adaptive equilibrium - in summary body-motility which dwarfs the performance of the deadliest jungle cat that ever lived.
It would be interesting to observe Achilles being bested in every physical capacity through the eyes of his Myrmidon, or through the eyes of Agamemnon, who has seen this man scurry across a beach shore riddled with air-born arrows before slaughtering every soldier who stood in his path and then chucking a spear across the distance of several football fields, before super-humanly impaling his likely target with precision. The King who observed Achilles take down a 500 pound muscle-head, who had killed everyone he ever fought, with a perfectly timed leap and stab which entered the giant through his left trap and destroying all major internal veins and arteries directly attached to his heart, causing almost immediate death via external blood loss and internal bleeding within the left side of his chest. A King who heard this man had taken the life of the only other warrior known to the Greek nations on the entire face of the earth who was considered the best.
Yes, I think Agamemnon would faint after watching the "Daredevil" pick apart a fully armed Achilles with two sticks.