Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

Originally posted by Lestov16
Wish Lanza would have been taken alive so he could face the parents in a courtroom.....before he got the needle

There is nothing you could do to him (if he was taken alive) that would a) bring back anyone or b) punish him in accordance with his heinous deeds.

I only saw one "we need God" post in my newsfeed, among many more reasonable reactions, so that's promising.

The quickest buzzkill on the religion things is that we're one of the most religious countries on Earth. But the reverse, that lack of religion causes less shootings, seems almost as silly. So obviously religion one way or another doesn't have much to do with this.

BUT, if we want to look for societal trends, we might onto something. America has something like 3x the school shooting in the last 8 years than the rest of the world combined. It's identifying the cause that's tricky. Gun control laws? Media tendencies? Something within the education system? Religious polarization? There are options. I have no easy answer.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Can you explain to me how my comment was "whipping myself into a frenzy"?

Symmetric Chaos, you're just messin' with me, right? 313

He's basically asking you what the point of speculating is. There doesn't seem to be one. I tend to agree. Ruminating on hypotheticals is fruitless, at best.

Do we know how long this shooting took place? Some are saying arming the teachers and requiring training would have saved lives. I think I agree. But let us assume most elementary school teachers care about kids (true) and would be very emotionally distraught when seeing something like this happen and probably miss once or twice...possibly killing a kid or two (probably true...don't know).

Originally posted by Digi
He's basically asking you what the point of speculating is. There doesn't seem to be one. I tend to agree. Ruminating on hypotheticals is fruitless, at best.

I thought most threads required speculation in one form or another. If you think speculating is pointless, then there pretty much is no point to any thread outside of the OTF. And, based on another's post, it would seem he was enraged at "the system" in one form or another so it seems my speculation was legit. I see no point to balk at speculation besides to chest puff and troll.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Do we know how long this shooting took place? Some are saying arming the teachers and requiring training would have saved lives. I think I agree. But let us assume most elementary school teachers care about kids (true) and would be very emotionally distraught when seeing something like this happen and probably miss once or twice...possibly killing a kid or two (probably true...don't know).

This sort of response seems intuitively right. I have no doubt it would have been less of a tragedy if the teachers were armed. It's almost impossible to argue otherwise, even if there are risks of hitting someone else. But that's not the equation we're dealing with. The actual equation includes this tragedy vs. the potential accidents of deputizing a teaching force. Misfires, misuse, lack of training, kids stealing the weapons provided to teachers, etc. etc.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
There is nothing you could do to him (if he was taken alive) that would a) bring back anyone or b) punish him in accordance with his heinous deeds.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Wouldn't stop it from being satisfying as all hell.

Tru dat. The only thing I cam think of is somehow killing him 26 times in different ways only to revive him one last time so that he can face all of the parents, and all other loved ones that were impacted by his actions, so that they can insult and berate him like the animal he is. Finally, he should be tortured to death over a period of 26 months (if he doesn't die first) then left to rot in a prison for the rest of his life. Or not.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
He was expressing how he felt, just as you are. What concerns me is that in the midst of this tragedy, you took the time to cherry pick through hundreds of comments to insult someone who believes in something you don't. How does that make you any different than him?

Actually I've yet to post an expression of why this happened.

You shouldn't be concerned, only looked at the first page and that one was in the top 3 post of about 15, at the time.

Different? You tell me, how am I being an assclown when I've yet to blind-blame someone or something for this tragedy or try to use it as a means to push my opinions on a belief? I definitely didn't say "this happened because there's too much god!"

When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

As for the teachers carrying guns, well, it sounds a littler slippery. It would indeed prevent this but not always and it could cause more trouble if the mass of american teachers are doing it. The only way I see that working is if they keep the gun on them while the clip stays locked in their desk. Separated from the gun.

Originally posted by Robtard
Actually I've yet to post an expression of why this happened.

You shouldn't be concerned, only looked at the first page and that one was in the top 3 post of about 15, at the time.

Different? You tell me, how am I being an assclown when I've yet to blind-blame someone or something for this tragedy or try to use it as a means to push my opinions on a belief? I definitely didn't say "this happened because there's too much god!"

I never called you an assclown.

Originally posted by Digi
This sort of response seems intuitively right. I have no doubt it would have been less of a tragedy if the teachers were armed. It's almost impossible to argue otherwise, even if there are risks of hitting someone else. But that's not the equation we're dealing with. The actual equation includes this tragedy vs. the potential accidents of deputizing a teaching force. Misfires, misuse, lack of training, kids stealing the weapons provided to teachers, etc. etc.

...actually, even that equation isn't quite right. Because we're looking at this after the fact where something bad DID happen. So, like, 27 deaths vs. the potential risk of deputizing a teaching force in this school...the "giving them guns" argument wins handily. But let's take a particular county. You give each teacher a weapon and some training. At this point, it's not accident risk vs. 27 deaths, but accident risk vs. a potential shooting. And, much as these things seem more common, the chances of NOT facing an attack are far greater than of facing one.

So accident risk vs. the easily < 1% chance of this happening (we'll say in a 10-year span for simplicity), at which point any single death as a result of teachers having guns is much more than enough to swing the argument in favor of not providing them.

It's not a locktight argument, but it's why there's debate on this subject.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
I never called you an assclown.

It was implied. I said he/she was an "assclown", you posed that I was no different.

So?

leave it to Rob to make this about himself. sneer

Originally posted by Robtard
It was implied. I said he/she was an "assclown", you posed that I was no different.

So?

I'm saying that you both exercised your right to self expression. That's all. Calm down.

Originally posted by marwash22
leave it to Rob to make this about himself. sneer

I feel like the "thoughts and prayers" sentiments that we're required to include on Facebook for social reasons are implied here. No one's that heartless. But they're also superfluous here on KMC, amidst discussion that's still on point but of a different nature than simply sympathizing.

What's known about the shooter? Did he have any outstanding mental health problems?

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
I'm saying that you both exercised your right to self expression. That's all. Calm down.

Except no. I didn't go out and blame someone/thing and make it about "this is what happens when you can't be a Christian", while self promoting my personal beliefs.

I did express my right to self expression in calling that person an assclown for his/her statement, which is funny, since you're bashing me on that. So if any one needs calming down, it's you.

IMO, it's best to wait a day or more; let the facts come out, before you start blaming. Could very well be that this guy is certifiably insane and he did it because he thought God was speaking to him and telling him to. Who the hell knows right now.

Originally posted by Digi
I feel like the "thoughts and prayers" sentiments that we're required to include on Facebook for social reasons are implied here. No one's that heartless.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Can you explain to me how my comment was "whipping myself into a frenzy"?

You were getting angry and accusatory about the possible motives you though he might have. What if his point was "education has turned our children into mindless slaves and by killing them they are set free"? He couldn't make that point at a police station. Your speculated motives and intended statements are just whatever will make you feel angry and righteous.

Originally posted by Robtard
Can you imagine the daily bloodshed if just about everyone was packing and were pulling out their guns are every perceived "crime."

Originally posted by Mindship
It would be an interesting experiment in biological, technological and societal evolution, to see what (if anything) is selected for as the population whittles itself down.

Wealth. Good body armor is expensive or difficult to make.