Super Saiyan Goku

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Super Saiyan Goku

This is Goku Super Saiyan form during the time he fought Perfect Cell vs...

Final Form Frieza
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Vegeta during his first appearance as a SS)
Piccolo (the one that fought first form Cell)
Android 18
Android 17
Cell first form
Trunks (when he first arrived to fight Frieza)

Can Goku win?

Goku should win pretty easily, me thinks.

spite against team really

Totally agree.

Lets start with the power levels we know:
Final form Frieza @ 100%=120,000,000.
Trunks when he first arrived on earth=150,000,000.
Vegeta when he first appeared as a SSJ=200,000,000.
Goku during the Cell Games=3,000,000,000.

Now for some logical power approximations:
We know 18 was vastly stronger than SSJ Vegeta-- I think a safe estimate is that she was 2x more powerful. We know 17 was more powerful than 18, but not by much. We know the Piccolo/Kami amalgam had a PL equal to 17. We know that Imperfect Cell became vastly superior to 17-- once again, I think a safe estimate is that he was 2x more powerful.

Based on those estimations:
18=400,000,000.
17=450,000,000.
Piccolo=450,000,000.
Imperfect Cell=900,000,000.

If you add the PL of EVERYONE on the team together, you get a sum of roughly 2.6 billion--- which is still quite a bit inferior to Goku's PL of 3 billion. Food for thought.

Numbers mean nothing compared to power. Goku at the end of the Cell Saga was on par with Perfect Cell who was vastly superior to any of the people on the list.

Originally posted by Kento
Numbers mean nothing compared to power.
In the DBZ-verse, numbers ARE power. That's why I like using power levels in DBZ threads if/when I can. 🙂

Either way, we both agree that Goku dominates. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
In the DBZ-verse, numbers ARE power. That's why I like using power levels in DBZ threads if/when I can. 🙂

Either way, we both agree that Goku dominates. 👆

You know what I meant about numbers. 😆

Originally posted by carver9
This is Goku Super Saiyan form during the time he fought Perfect Cell vs...

Final Form Frieza
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Vegeta during his first appearance as a SS)
Piccolo (the one that fought first form Cell)
Android 18
Android 17
Cell first form
Trunks (when he first arrived to fight Frieza)

Can Goku win?

Yes. As can the team. vin

Team wins obviously.

Goku would murder them.

Consider the following. Cell in his first form after he absorbed all those humans walked through Kami-Piccolo's full-powered blast unfazed. He then snapped Piccolo's neck with a punch, blew a hole in his chest, and threw to the side.


Dragon Ball chapter 370, pages 6 - 14 of 15.

There's no one in this team that could hurt Cell post human absorption, yet alone Goku.

Originally posted by Astner
There's no one in this team that could hurt Cell post human absorption, yet alone Goku.
Great point. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Great point. 👆

Small gaps in power levels result in huge rifts in power. I think that a lot of people are conditioned from other manga to believe that if you line up just enough heroes you can take on the big bad you can win, regardless of how powerful he is.

👆

Say 'character A' has a PL of 1,000,000, and 'character B' has a PL of 1,018,000. Despite their PLs appearing to be similar at first glance, the difference between said PLs is actually proportionate to the difference between Saiyan Saga Vegeta and an average human being... Which, as you said, results in a considerable difference between powers in the end. Granted, with fighting style and various high-level attacks thrown in the mix, 'character A' could certainly make 'character B' work for the win-- however, that doesn't change the fact that 'character B' is still quite a bit more powerful overall.

The difference in PLs in this match is actually much more significant, though--- as Goku's PL is several billion higher than the next strongest character (ie. Imperfect Cell.)

Originally posted by Astner
Small gaps in power levels result in huge rifts in power. I think that a lot of people are conditioned from other manga to believe that if you line up just enough heroes then you can take on the big bad, regardless of how powerful he is.

Fixed. I really need to proof read my replies.

Originally posted by Galan007
👆

Say 'character A' has a PL of 1,000,000, and 'character B' has a PL of 1,018,000. Despite their PLs appearing to be similar at first glance, the difference between said PLs is actually proportionate to the difference between Saiyan Saga Vegeta and an average human being... Which, as you said, results in a considerable difference between powers in the end.

Granted, with fighting style and various high-level attacks thrown in the mix, 'character A' could certainly make 'character B' work for the win-- however, that doesn't change the fact that 'character B' is still quite a bit more powerful overall.


I'm not sure of the exact scaling method, so I wouldn't necessarily say that they're proportionate to the difference between Vegeta and a human. But I'll agree on that they can be deceiving.

Originally posted by Astner
I'm not sure of the exact scaling method, so I wouldn't necessarily say that they're proportionate to the difference between Vegeta and a human. But I'll agree on that they can be deceiving.
Yeah, I dunno either. Just a guess.

Goku wins, doh.

Team still wins lol.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Team still wins lol.

Could you elaborate on your reasoning as to why the team would win? Evidence of similar occurrences in the manga would also be appreciated.

Be more observant. I didn't see it at first either(not that I read the OP) until DP's post.

I'm honestly not seeing what you're seeing. Care to fill me in?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Be more observant. I didn't see it at first either(not that I read the OP) until DP's post.

That's an informal fallacy, particularly the argument from silence fallacy. You have to provide concrete evidence if you expect to convince someone that you're right. And if you're not intending to convince someone that you're right you have nothing to do in a debate.