Originally posted by AuraAngelFinal Form Frieza
Kay.Look closely at Goku's opponents and figure out why he loses.
Still not seeing why/how he looses.
I doubt that the thread starter intended absorption to be an option, or else he simply would have made a "Perfect Cell vs. Goku" thread. Furthermore, that opinion assumes Goku would give Cell the chance to absorb 2 different androids before attacking/destroying him.
But IF absorption is a valid tactic in this match, and IF Goku allows Cell to absorb the androids, the "team"(ie. Cell) does win, obviously.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Cell absorbs the Androids on his team and kills him.
Goku still has knowledge of how Cell's absorption functions—this is Goku from the Cell games—and he's also fast and strong enough to one-shot any of the androids or Cell before Cell could get a chance to absorb them.
So even though the thread specifies that this is Cell Games Goku(meaning he already knows that Perfect Cell is more powerful than him), your contention is that he would still just kick back and let Imperfect Cell absorb both androids? Srsly? If Vegeta would have known in advance that Perfect Cell was vastly more powerful than himself, do you think he still would have let 2nd form Cell absorb 18? Hell no.
When did Goku devolve into an idiot fighter/tactician?
In that case(where we're using a character's story knowledge in a scenario that can't possibly be fit anywhere into the story) why would Trunks and Piccolo fight him at all?
The fight is a hypothetical and if we take into account characteristics, Goku likes to fight strong guys and is known to abandon logic when there are things at stake(holding back against Kid Buu, Majin Vegeta, and not doing the Fusion again) so here, in a hypothetical where there are no stakes at all, then he wouldn't have much of a problem with it.
Originally posted by AuraAngel...Except for the fact that as of the Cell Games(heck, even before then) Goku already knew that Perfect Cell was more powerful than himself.
In that case(where we're using a character's story knowledge in a scenario that can't possibly be fit anywhere into the story) why would Trunks and Piccolo fight him at all?The fight is a hypothetical and if we take into account characteristics, Goku likes to fight strong guys and is known to abandon logic when there are things at stake(holding back against Kid Buu, Majin Vegeta, and not doing the Fusion again) so here, in a hypothetical where there are no stakes at all, then he wouldn't have much of a problem with it.
And if he already knows there is no possible way for him to win if he lets Cell absorb the androids, then he simply would not allow said absorption to happen. I never took Goku as the suicidal type. 😉
Originally posted by AuraAngel
In that case(where we're using a character's story knowledge in a scenario that can't possibly be fit anywhere into the story)
Originally posted by AuraAngel
why would Trunks and Piccolo fight him at all?
Originally posted by AuraAngel
The fight is a hypothetical and if we take into account characteristics, Goku likes to fight strong guys and is known to abandon logic when there are things at stake (holding back against Kid Buu, Majin Vegeta, and not doing the Fusion again) so here, in a hypothetical where there are no stakes at all, then he wouldn't have much of a problem with it.
In fact, Goku wanted to stop Buu's resurrection. He didn't want to fight him. Furthermore, Goku was disappointed when Cell managed to absorb #18.
On top of that, Goku does know that Perfect Cell is more powerful than him. And this was the same Goku that encouraged his own son to kill Cell when Gohan was playing around with him.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Cell absorbs the Androids on his team and kills him.
You saw it. 👆
Seriously though, if Goku realizes what Cell's up to, I don't think Cell will be able to pull it off, and that's assuming the Androids are even around to be absorbed.
~ Or, Cell absorbs one Android and self-destructs. Either it'll be a stalemate, or Goku will do what he did in the manga. awesome
What can I say DP, great minds think alike. Not that I'm sure you and I qualify as those but hey.
And really the only thing to argue in this thread is if Goku would allow Cell to become complete. If you're giving him story knowledge then of course he wouldn't but that comes at the cost of making some weird ideas exist. So I've been assuming the fight has no stakes and that Goku really doesn't care so long as he can have a fun fight.
But bored now.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
What can I say DP, great minds think alike. Not that I'm sure you and I qualify as those but hey.And really the only thing to argue in this thread is if Goku would allow Cell to become complete. If you're giving him story knowledge then of course he wouldn't but that comes at the cost of making some weird ideas exist. So I've been assuming the fight has no stakes and that Goku really doesn't care so long as he can have a fun fight.
But bored now.
Others would say fools seldom differ. 😛
Assuming CIS isn't off, I don't know if he would allow Cell to become Perfect, but my knowledge of the Cell Games is a little fuzzy. Cell would definitely aim to absorb the two Androids though, but that is assuming Goku hasn't destroyed them completely.
Get a girlfriend, or two. 😛
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Others would say fools seldom differ. 😛Assuming CIS isn't off, I don't know if he would allow Cell to become Perfect, but my knowledge of the Cell Games is a little fuzzy. Cell would definitely aim to absorb the two Androids though, but that is assuming Goku hasn't destroyed them completely.
Get a girlfriend, or two. 😛
Others suck though.
Eh, I assume it is. And he probably would since he'd want to fight Vegeta first as he seems to enjoy fighting teh guy.
But I is shy and full of self hate.
Originally posted by Astner
The fact he held back against Vegeta and Fat Buu—not Kid Buu—has nothing to do with him wanting to fight strong opponents, and neither does the fact that he didn't want to use the Potara earings.In fact, Goku wanted to stop Buu's resurrection. He didn't want to fight him. Furthermore, Goku was disappointed when Cell managed to absorb #18.
On top of that, Goku does know that Perfect Cell is more powerful than him. And this was the same Goku that encouraged his own son to kill Cell when Gohan was playing around with him.
He did hold back against Kid Buu....
Originally posted by juggermanNot intentionally.
He did hold back against Kid Buu....
It was stated that if Goku powered up as a SSJ3 he'd be able to destroy Kid Buu "in an instant." However, when he tried powering up in his SSJ3 state he swiftly realized the physical stressors of maintaining that form were too much for his mortal body to handle, thus he unwillingly powered down to his base-level state.
He did hold back against Fat Buu on purpose, though--- as he wanted the kids(Goten/Trunks) to "have something to do." That much was stated.
Originally posted by Galan007
Not intentionally.It was stated that if Goku powered up as a SSJ3 he'd be able to destroy Kid Buu "in an instant." However, when he tried powering up in his SSJ3 state he swiftly realized the physical stressors of maintaining that form were too much for his mortal body to handle, thus he unwillingly powered down to his base-level state.
He did hold back against Fat Buu on purpose, though--- as he wanted the kids(Goten/Trunks) to "have something to do." That much was stated.
I remember Goku saying something about drawing out the fight with Kid Buu so Vegeta could have a turn, but then after using SSJ3 for so long it completely wore him out
Goku had been trying to power up during his battle with Kid Buu, but due to the intensity at which they were fighting, he never got the minute he needed to fully power up as a SSJ3:
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By the time Vegeta attempted to buy Goku that minute he needed to power up, his body could not handle the strain of SSJ3:
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