Originally posted by BloodRainI love how you mention only his high end feat haha...fail
Mind posting the scene when Goku lifts up the Earth, then flies around at FTL speeds? Must have forgotten that episode.
thats like saying spiderman is always at firelords level...how bout the time superman got koed by a gas station...hahaha
Originally posted by -Pr-
lifting the earth definitely speaks towards strength, combat or otherwise.
to some extent yea...i will give you that...it is not a good way o judging a win oven an opponent though....we see buu destroy a galaxy on screen and yet goku nor buu can compete with superman. I see that veryyyy laughable to the Marvel/DC wanking
Originally posted by bbrem123
lifting the earth and flying FTL has nothingggggg to do with combat speed or even combat strength...come back when you have actual fighting feats...and stop trying to highball superman it is a poor way of debating
LOL. Are you an idiot? Don't answer that, I've dealt with you in the past.
Strength correlates with speed, which altogether correlates with the amount of force you can impart.
Superman is able to think and move his body in far less than nanoseconds. Moving even a foot in a nanosecond makes you lightspeed. Superman is faster than even that.
Goku does not think or move remotely in nanoseconds. When the guy fights, the debris around them still has time to fall.
When Superman is in top speed mode, the world is frozen to him. Hell phuck that, Superman has outright speeded through full time-stop on a few occasions. And that's Pre-Reboot. Not even Pre-Crisis.
Did you see the video I posted? Goku on average has farrr greater combat speed then Superman. Get over it.
Take the dick out of your ass and get over the fact that goku is in Supermans league.
Stop being butthurt im just debating man. No need to resort to name calling. Not cool
Also you think superman can beat broly? he was show on screen destroying a Galaxy. Yea superman can match that hahahahaha
Originally posted by bbrem123
to some extent yea...i will give you that...it is not a good way o judging a win oven an opponent though....we see buu destroy a galaxy on screen and yet goku nor buu can compete with superman. I see that veryyyy laughable to the Marvel/DC wanking
It judges strength level when used in concert with battle feats.
Though are we using preboot or New 52?
Originally posted by ScreamPasteIt was shown in a flashback...there is also a shot where he is going planet to planet in a instances destroying them while also taking the explosion at point blank.(He isnt even trying either)
No, we don't.
All characters have there high and lows...you guys just need to get over the facts Goku is in Supermans league
Originally posted by bbrem123
Did you see the video I posted? Goku on average has farrr greater combat speed then Superman. Get over it.Take the dick out of your ass and get over the fact that goku is in Supermans league.
Stop being butthurt im just debating man. No need to resort to name calling. Not cool
Also you think superman can beat broly? he was show on screen destroying a Galaxy. Yea superman can match that hahahahaha
You posted an entire episode, episode 265. What part of the video do you need me to watch?
I already know there's not a single instance of that video where Goku and Buu fight at a speed that indicates they can move normally through time-stop.
People like you get too caught up in visual styles. DBZ fights show rapid punches and after-images regularly, but this is not special at all. This is supposedly through our eyes.
True super speed is not seeing yourself as fast, but seeing everything else as SLOW. Goku doesn't have the feats to suggest he would be anything more than a statue to Superman when he cuts loose.
Practical speed feats are important too. Superman has rebuilt an entire, NYC sized city, in seconds. Goku would utterly fail to do that, even though his ki can produce heat and his lungs should be strong enough to blow really cold air too. The task would be far too complex a thing done in too fast a time for him to compete. That's trillions and trillions of bricks to stack alone. And thus its a lot better showing for actual reflexes and body speed as opposed to unquantified 'fast anime punches' being drawn.
Also, lol, Broly never destroyed the Galaxy. Goku and Co visited the same galaxy. That was simply for visual effect showing the danger he posed in the long run. Broly also got killed by being blasted into the sun, and those same kamehamehas that blasted him to the sun failed to destroy the sun. I suppose you'll want to say..."Broly is not canon!" now. Which you'd be right, he's not canon, and thus does not exist.
Superman would beat his ass anyway.
Originally posted by bbrem123Was going to respond to this, but CC beat me to it. But yeah, they visit the Galaxy Broly apparently busted and when they killed him, by combining their power to excede his own, he was pushed into the sun which was largely uneffected. Broly<Solar<Galactic
Did you see the video I posted? Goku on average has farrr greater combat speed then Superman. Get over it.Take the dick out of your ass and get over the fact that goku is in Supermans league.
Stop being butthurt im just debating man. No need to resort to name calling. Not cool
Also you think superman can beat broly? he was show on screen destroying a Galaxy. Yea superman can match that hahahahaha
Originally posted by CosmicComet
You posted an entire episode, episode 265. What part of the video do you need me to watch?I already know there's not a single instance of that video where Goku and Buu fight at a speed that indicates they can move normally through time-stop.
People like you get too caught up in visual styles. DBZ fights show rapid punches and after-images regularly, but this is not special at all. This is supposedly through our eyes.
True super speed is not seeing yourself as fast, but seeing everything else as SLOW. Goku doesn't have the feats to suggest he would be anything more than a statue to Superman when he cuts loose.
Practical speed feats are important too. Superman has rebuilt an entire, NYC sized city, in seconds. Goku would utterly fail to do that, even though his ki can produce heat and his lungs should be strong enough to blow really cold air too. The task would be far too complex a thing done in too fast a time for him to compete. That's trillions and trillions of bricks to stack alone. And thus its a lot better showing for actual reflexes and body speed as opposed to unquantified 'fast anime punches' being drawn.
Also, lol, Broly never destroyed the Galaxy. Goku and Co visited the same galaxy. That was simply for visual effect showing the danger he posed in the long run. Broly also got killed by being blasted into the sun, and those same kamehamehas that blasted him to the sun failed to destroy the sun. I suppose you'll want to say..."Broly is not canon!" now. Which you'd be right, he's not canon, and thus does not exist.
Superman would beat his ass anyway.
Then you have superman being hit by bricks with no speed feats at all.
Originally posted by bbrem123
Then you have superman being hit by bricks with no speed feats at all.
This is the problem with writing comics, you have tons of important characters, all with different attributes, and they still have to make a story around them and make use of people even while they are vastly different in abilities and attributes.
DBZ? Has no such problem. All the most important people are super strong, super fast, and shoot beams. They all have the same basic attributes and thus you don't have to worry about making a story fit where you can have a Solomon Grundy type land a hit on Superman. PIS and CIS is very real, and its more prevalent in DC and Marvel than anywhere else.
If I was hired to write a story for likes of Superman or Silver Surfer, I would simply make them cosmic stories and preclude those like Batman or Hawkeye from having a major part of their adventures, because that leads to hero decay. I would not have to worry about pissing off people by making those guys useless (which they realistically would be)in the stories, I would simply not include them at all.