Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
I'll make you a deal....you give up your first amendment rights and I'll give up my second
Speech rights and the right to bear arms aren't at all comparable besides the fact that both have "rights" in them.
One is a fundamental human right almost without qualification (except for incredibly rare, specific instances--it makes sense to clamp down on people shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater) whereas owning a firearm should be earned by proving that you're worthy of the responsibility. Only someone with a Hobbesian sense of morality would see gun ownership as a fundamental right.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Comments like these highlight how ridiculously out of touch with reality and propriety the pro-gun camp is.Speech rights and the right to bear arms aren't at all comparable besides the fact that both have "rights" in them.
One is a fundamental human right almost without qualification (except for incredibly rare, specific instances--it makes sense to clamp down on people shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater) whereas owning a firearm should be earned by proving that you're worthy of the responsibility. Only someone with a Hobbesian sense of morality would see gun ownership as a fundamental right.
Listen, Jesus didn't defeat George Washington in single combat and scattered the Jewish Horde to the winds at the battle of Thermopylae just so some I-surrender-flag-waving-Frecnhmen liberal type like you can tell him he 'can't own no guns.'
Originally posted by Robtard
I'm not a "ban all guns" type.But my First Amendment rights don't walk in schools with assault weapons and murder close to 30 people.
I'm not denying this was a horrible tragedy. But I'll repeat myself here. Less than 1% of gun deaths in America are due to assault rifles, over 95% of it is due to small caliber handguns and over half of it is because of the illegal drug trade. There are close to 300 million guns in America snd several million of those are assault rifles. Banning guns, even assault rifles, will not make this type of thing go away.
Want to reduce gun violence?
1) End the war on drugs
2) Limit media coverage of any mass shooting (though this would infringe on the 1st amendment)
I'm also not against any person purchasing an assault rifle having to first undergo a psychological evaluation, at their own expense of course.
And I'm not against anyone purchasing ANY gun having to show they compentently know how to use, and store it safely.
Yet if I flip the **** out and want to go on a mall-shooting-rampage cos they were sold out of purple Furbys, the chances of me(one person in one shooting) doing more damage increase if I'm packing something like an AR-15 with 30 bullets in the clip compared to a Beretta M9 or grandpa's old double-barrel duck hunting shotgun.
Banning weapons makes it harder for those who seek them to get them, the affects dominoes all the way down into the illegal gun market.
On the other hand, it's a lot easier to buy two M9's than it is to buy one AR-15, and it's easier to bring two M9's into a mall than it is to bring an AR-15 into a mall, and the amount of damage you can do with two M9's is comparable to the damage you can do with one AR-15.
See: the VA Tech shooting for details.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
On the other hand, it's a lot easier to buy two M9's than it is to buy one AR-15, and it's easier to bring two M9's into a mall than it is to bring an AR-15 into a mall, and the amount of damage you can do with two M9's is comparable to the damage you can do with one AR-15.See: the VA Tech shooting for details.
What makes you think stashing an AR-15 in a bag is hard? Dude had no trouble bringing his mom's AR-15 and other guns into a school.
See: We covered that.