Cell wins round 1. As was made apparent in his fight with SSJ2 Gohan, Cell had been holding back a huge portion of his power... Against everyone... The entire time. In fact, Goku was literally left in awe when Cell fully powered up. Aside from that, tiny fractions of his power (Cell Juniors) were able to effortlessly shit-stomp most of the Z fighters (to Goku's credit, he was still battle-worn from his fight with Cell.)
Cell likely wins round 2 as well, but it'd be a hard-earned battle-- Pikkon adds more than you'd think. I just rewatched the Goku vs. Pikkon episodes, and Pikkon was superior to SSJ Goku(who, by that time, was likely stronger than he was during the Cell Games.) Heck, Goku only won that battle by exploiting a 'flaw' in one of Pikkon's techniques, which gave him the opportunity to knock Pikkon out of the ring--- but before that, Pikkon was winning decisively.
Unless there's a detail I'm forgetting, I don't think Goku got stronger during his 2nd time in the afterlife until he started training under the Grand Kai, so Pikkon lost to what was basically the same USSJ level Goku that surrendered to Cell during the Other World Tournament finals. And it looked like Cell was just cheapshotted when it came to Pikkon stopping him and Goku from fighting at that moment. Put that same Cell in a ring with Pikkon and he should knock Pikkon out of the ring faster than Goku did, as he also has instant transmission which was used to counter Pikkon's thunderflash.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Goku's training during his 2nd trip to the afterlife didn't start till after the Other World Tournament though IIRC. SSJ3 he reached at some point whilst training under the Grand Kai.
Actually, Goku trained for the other-worldly tournament. The scene, in the anime, where Goku trains with the weights occurs before the tournament and was used to intimidate another Kai and his fighter:
Originally posted by Ridley_Primehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcEvG3rvl0
Unless there's a detail I'm forgetting, I don't think Goku got stronger during his 2nd time in the afterlife until he started training under the Grand Kai, so Pikkon lost to what was basically the same USSJ level Goku that surrendered to Cell during the Other World Tournament finals. And it looked like Cell was just cheapshotted when it came to Pikkon stopping him and Goku from fighting at that moment. Put that same Cell in a ring with Pikkon and he should knock Pikkon out of the ring faster than Goku did, as he also has instant transmission which was used to counter Pikkon's thunderflash.
Not even the initial strikes from SSJ2 Gohan put Cell out of commission like Pikkon's blows did.
Originally posted by juggermanIt was stated that SSJ Gohan was more powerful than SSJ Goku-- but it was also stated that Gohan only stood a chance against Cell due to his SSJ2 potential. As a regular SSJ he was still nothing in comparison.
Wasn't SSJ1 Gohan already at Perfect Cell's level? I remember Goku saying Gohan was much stronger than Goku or even Cell before he transformed but that was also before Cell showed his "true power"
Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, Goku trained for the other-worldly tournament. The scene, in the anime, where Goku trains with the weights occurs before the tournament and was used to intimidate another Kai and his fighter:
Originally posted by Galan007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcEvG3rvl0
(1:46)Not even the initial strikes from SSJ2 Gohan put Cell out of commission like Pikkon's blows did.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime...Because he got knocked out of the ring and disqualified. Before that cheap-shot, Pikkon was very clearly superior to SSJ Goku--- he [Pikkon] even tanked a full-force punch from Goku, who was utilizing a "Super kaioken" at the time(which would have doubled his base SSJ power.)
Doesn't really change what I said. Pikkon still lost to a USSJ during the Other World Tournament,
Regardless, in this battle there isn't a ring that Pikkon can be knocked out of for the DQ win. That'd be the difference.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimePikkon flew at Cell head-on(Cell even saw him coming.) Truth is, Pikkon trounced Cell with such ease because he is simply that powerful.
so he likely just got Cell when he did because of having the element of surprise.
Here's what happens when a being less powerful than Cell kicks him head-on:
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http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14427090/db32_147.gif.html
Compare that, again, to Pikkon's kick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcEvG3rvl0
(1:46)
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Goku's training during his 2nd trip to the afterlife didn't start till after the Other World Tournament though IIRC. SSJ3 he reached at some point whilst training under the Grand Kai.
Iirc, he never trained under Grand Kai, who made an excuse not to due to Pikkon and Goku being far stronger than him already.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix👆
^ Gets even worse when you take into consideration the notion that Cell probably had his Super Perfect form PL.
And if that was the case(which it should have been, unless you think Cell lost power when he died) then Pikkon's power would have been somewhere between a SSJ2 and a SSJ3--- more powerful than the former, but weaker than the latter.
But then the inevitable question arises: "If Pikkon was SSJ2-level(or beyond) how was SSJ1 Goku able to contend with him at all!?" Two answers:
a.) Pikkon was definitely more powerful than Goku, and had the clear upper hand throughout the entire battle-- even when Goku doubled his SSJ power, his blow barely even fazed Pikkon. Like I mentioned, Pikkon was only 'beaten' because Goku cheap-shotted the shit out of him with instant transmission+Kamehameha, subsequently knocking him out of the ring.
b.) Goku evidently got a lot more powerful between the Cell Games and his battle with Pikkon--- which makes sense given a Saiyan's natural ability to become vastly stronger after enduring a severe beatdown(of which he received en gros during the Cell Games.) And as dadudemon pointed out: Goku had also been receiving training from King Kai during this period.
Aside from that, did anyone else notice that even after Goku saw Cell was coming to attack him, he still didn't opt to power up beyond the Giji(False) SSJ form he assumed when he owned the Ginyu Force?
