Perfect Cell vs. Saiyan Team

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Goku didn't receive any training before the tournament in which he fought Pikkon...at least I don't remember him having any. The clip Dadudemon posted was from after that and they clearly talk about him preparing for the tournament on Earth, not in the Other World.

Which means what? Goku had no time to train for the tournament where he fought Pikkon. The training scene Dadudemon linked took place after that.

I mean I might be remembering wrong but I don't recall there being any training aside from Goku racing the East Kai.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Which means what? Goku had no time to train for the tournament where he fought Pikkon. The training scene Dadudemon linked took place after that.

I mean I might be remembering wrong but I don't recall there being any training aside from Goku racing the East Kai.

During the Frieza saga, for example, Goku's PL was 180,000 before he was injured in the Ginyu affair. After he healed from that encounter, his PL was now at a point where he was able to match 50% Frieza whilst utilizing a 20x kaioken. Frieza's PL @ 50% was 60,000,000--- therefore, Goku's base PL was 3,000,000(3,000,000*20(kaioken)=60,000,000)--- these PLs were confirmed in the Daizenshuu, btw. This means Goku received a power increase of over 1,500% from that one beat-down!

And during the Cell Games, Cell whooped his ass. Then the Cell Juniors beat him down even worse. Then he got killed by Cell's kamikaze. Even if his power increase from said beatings was remotely comparable to the upgrade he received in the Frieza saga, I could definitely see him gaining enough power through his natural Saiyan evolutionary process to contend with a being who was around SSJ2 Gohan's level(likely stronger.) Remember, sans cheap-shots, Goku was still weaker than Pikkon-- he was just able to put up a really good fight, is all.

Originally posted by Galan007
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And if that was the case(which it should have been, unless you think Cell lost power when he died) then Pikkon's power would have been somewhere between a SSJ2 and a SSJ3--- more powerful than the former, but weaker than the latter.

But then the inevitable question arises: "If Pikkon was SSJ2-level(or beyond) how was SSJ1 Goku able to contend with him at all!?" Two answers:
a.) Pikkon was definitely more powerful than Goku, and had the clear upper hand throughout the entire battle-- even when Goku doubled his SSJ power, his blow barely even fazed Pikkon. Like I mentioned, Pikkon was only 'beaten' because Goku cheap-shotted the shit out of him with instant transmission+Kamehameha, subsequently knocking him out of the ring.

b.) Goku evidently got a lot more powerful between the Cell Games and his battle with Pikkon--- which makes sense given a Saiyan's natural ability to become vastly stronger after enduring a severe beatdown(of which he received en gros during the Cell Games.) And as dadudemon pointed out: Goku had also been receiving training from King Kai during this period.

Aside from that, did anyone else notice that even after Goku saw Cell was coming to attack him, he still didn't opt to power up beyond the Giji(False) SSJ form he assumed when he owned the Ginyu Force?

Only reason I would assume Cell lost his power was because iirc, there were no electric sparks in his aura, and he wasn't acting batshit insane like he did post-resurrection. The former can be chalked up to animation team laziness (wouldn't be the first time), and the latter can be attributed to him no longer being around Gohan.

b) I can't remember the training, but yeah, Zenkais can really boost a Saiyan's power by a ridiculous margin. And when your base PL is in the millions, that equates to a massive, massive boost from the Zenkai.
That said, assuming your PL guide is accurate, Goku's PL as a SSJ during the Buu saga was still lower than Perfect Cell's, by a significant margin, unless of course, that isn't Perfect Cell but Super Perfect Cell.

Makes little sense IMO for Goku to survive for so long against Pikkon when the latter could two-shot Cell, but then again, it is anime filler, and I can simply be an ass and say that Pikkon never wanted to go all out against someone who was his friend. Either way, there's no reason to assume Cell's PL dropped when he was in the Other World.

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Goku ALWAYS train. I see no reason for him not to train within the 7 yr gap from his fight with Cell to his fight with Pikkon. Anyone disputing this have little to no knowledge about Goku. The only reason Goku was able to even contend against a holding back Pikkon was due to a power increase (because of his battle and death at the cell games) and him training. There isn't any evidence concerning Cell being depowered when he faced Pikkon. Some people are making stuff up as they type.