Originally posted by ScreamPasteHis face is horribly burned/disfigured. When do they cover this in the movies ?
You were being civil in the other threads so I'll let this one slide on the assumption you'll be more polite in the future.He isn't disfigured, though. That look is how he looked before he looked like Palpatine. He changed his appearance using alchemy or something. shrug
Originally posted by PwnedAnakin schooled Dooku who owned Obi. Obi iirc admitted Anakin was better. Anakin was still quite formidable. He couldn't beat Obi and then made a critical mistake due to his arrogance.
Being outskilled? You mean a Master beating a Knight? Not that hard to believe. Especially when you look at how much of a wreck Anakin was, how Obi-Wan trained him and therefore knew his fighting style, and how Obi-Wan had 20+ years of training on him.You mean like Dumbledor? How he is quite weak and a complete and total failure for not stopping Voldy sooner? (Also, Luke is much more powerful. As is Anakin.)
They were outnumbered 1 million to one, minimum. They were fighting planet sized battles across thousands of planets, with only 1 or 2 Jedi per planet. And blaster fire by grunts? You mean blaster fire from behind? That's how Dumbles died, he got hit in the back. Your entire point there is utterly invalid in light of that one fact.
Dumbledore took the precautions necessary to combat Voldemort. Dumbledore was wise as to what to do he just knew he couldn't live to see it due to him dying in a year. He chose to use his own death as an advantage to gain Voldemort's trust through Snape.
Dumbledore wanted to die. He instructed Snape to kill him. That entire scene was him allowing it to happen. They weren't outnumbered 1 million to one when they showed what killed them. They were taken off guard and those who survived the initial assault quickly went down save Yoda who was with the Wookies.
Originally posted by BloodRainI disagree. I also don't debate citing pis or cis. To me it gives the fan an excuse to discount certain things they don't like. Palpatine announced his intentions and the attack wasn't that fast so we factor this showing in.
We're talking about the reactions to catch the attack, not the power.Your single example of a '3 second reaction time' is being caught offguard with the force lightning. CIS as [b]we see Yoda catch force lightning
, so like that human punching example Yoda in in that range.
I disagree. Yoda catches Dooku's lightning sa less powerful attack when focused, sure. What other things ? Slow moving objects ?
One feat doesn't negate all the other times Yoda reacts to faster things. That doesn't mean we only discuss his lowest feat while ignoring the rest. Basically this.-Yoda is hit by Force Lightning when caught off-guard, a CIS moment.
+Yoda catches Force Lightning when focused
+Yoda catches other things thrown at him
+Yoda dodges things thrown at him
+Yoda moves and jumps around at a speed unobtainable by any human
+Yoda fights with a Lightsaber at speed unobtainable by any human
+Nearly all force users show speed and reactions to do the above. Yoda's at the top of the list as only few could match him in combat
+Padawan's can deflect supersonic blasters. Yoda is above any Padawan.
Yes, barely. Yoda also has precog and is quite a distance away and quite nimble. That doesn't prove anything since we have seen far slower attacks beat him and keep him busy. Yes, but struggles against opponents with continuous energy beam projectile attacks.
Just because he is good at stopping laser blasts doesn't mean he can stop anything thrown his way with the same relative ease.
I don't agree with cis as I previously said.
CIS moment that gets countered in the same scene vs dozens of fast showings."However, like many creatures that dwell in cold and darkness, they fear light and warmth, which we shall therefore call to our aid should the need arise. Fire, Harry"
Why is it more powerful? The only thing we see it do is defeat Inferi.. creatures that were already being beaten by Harry's weaker, non-EW powered spells. We need to know how powerful it is.
The Disintergration/Reductor spell, which is use after the spell that makes an audible cracking sound come from Bellatrix. A combo. And you're ignoring the part about who it effects. The fire spell is used on weak Inferi, her combo on a person with a human body.. the force lightning damages and knocks out beings with durability and stamina far above any human.
It goes into water and clouds the entire room. Do you think the actual display of power is weaker than Palpatine's force lightning dis plays of power ? Could Yoda redirect the fire balls with ease in your opinion ? We see how powerful it is with our own two eyes. Could LUke Skywalker survive the fireballs from this spell thrown at him for a longer time than he survived against set to kill force lightning iyo ?
It disintegrates the entire body which shows how powerful and force lightning is a bunch of attacks so why can't I use two spell blasts ? We also know Dumbledore is far more powerful than she is.
He says now you will die. He wasn't torturing him anymore.
Its still torture, Force Lightning has been used as torture several times in the verse. The very fact that he can move after, when we know that weaker Force Lightning (Dooku) is able to defeat characters in one hit, proves that it was torture. Unless you believe that Luke can tank far more than every other Jedi, or that Palpy's lighting is weaker than Dooku's.
As said, these characters are far more durable than regular humans. A human can sustain a great injury from falling merely 10ft, while a damaged Yoda can be hit with a force blast, fall 70ft and just get up and walk away showing no injures.Luke can take amputation, he falls to non-fatal lightning. [/B]
Dooku defeated a completely vulnerable Anakin in one hit. He later shows he recovered from it. It ko'd him and didn't seriously harm him either.
Yoda also can be ko'd with a force lightning blast and we have never seen it directly kill anyone on it's own. The force lightning can ko those who aren't ready for it. It happened to Yoda as well. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112A>B>C is irrelevant, Anakin tapped into a state that he normally can not access to beat Dooku.
Anakin schooled Dooku who owned Obi. Obi iirc admitted Anakin was better. Anakin was still quite formidable. He couldn't beat Obi and then made a critical mistake due to his arrogance.Dumbledore took the precautions necessary to combat Voldemort. Dumbledore was wise as to what to do he just knew he couldn't live to see it due to him dying in a year. He chose to use his own death as an advantage to gain Voldemort's trust through Snape.
Dumbledore wanted to die. He instructed Snape to kill him. That entire scene was him allowing it to happen. They weren't outnumbered 1 million to one when they showed what killed them. They were taken off guard and those who survived the initial assault quickly went down save Yoda who was with the Wookies.
He said, "Better Jedi than I", not, "You could totally own me" because the Jedi are not warriors.
So he was gonna die whether he liked it or not? Good to know. He isn't as powerful as you want him to be.
So the Jedi, leading armies are not outnumbered a million to one just because they don't show the millions on screen? The fact they were leading armies, and stated to do so, doesn't clue you in? You're hopeless.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. I also don't debate citing pis or cis. To me it gives the fan an excuse to discount certain things they don't like. Palpatine announced his intentions and the attack wasn't that fast so we factor this showing in.
I disagree. Yoda catches Dooku's lightning sa less powerful attack when focused, sure. What other things ? Slow moving objects ?
Yes, barely. Yoda also has precog and is quite a distance away and quite nimble. That doesn't prove anything since we have seen far slower attacks beat him and keep him busy. Yes, but struggles against opponents with continuous energy beam projectile attacks.
Just because he is good at stopping laser blasts doesn't mean he can stop anything thrown his way with the same relative ease.
If not CIS than what? Yoda is suddenly unable to do a feat we know he's capable of, and reacting slower than we know he and slower characters can act at?
And if you don't accept CIS its still one a single instance that is countered (catching Palpy's, and even Dooku's as power=/=speed), while so many other things say he is much faster then human limits.
What other things stack up to all of those moments?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't agree with cis as I previously said.
It goes into water and clouds the entire room. Do you think the actual display of power is weaker than Palpatine's force lightning dis plays of power ? Could Yoda redirect the fire balls with ease in your opinion ? We see how powerful it is with our own two eyes. Could LUke Skywalker survive the fireballs from this spell thrown at him for a longer time than he survived against set to kill force lightning iyo ?
It disintegrates the entire body which shows how powerful and force lightning is a bunch of attacks so why can't I use two spell blasts ? We also know Dumbledore is far more powerful than she is.
Yeah but that would be like saying a house fire a more powerful than Dumbledore because its larger. As Nate said, Anakin dying from being consumed by lava flames can take it far better than a human takes normal flames. If the flames hit him he would still be in fighting condition.
The pain Anakin was in after both of his legs were cut of and being engulfed in lava flames, lasted 30+ seconds << The pain Luke was in from Force Lightning, lasted 20 seconds.
Because the only spells shown to kill a human is the AK and this spell after set-up. And Albus isn't attacking someone with human durability, like the wizards.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He says now you will die. He wasn't torturing him anymore.
Dooku defeated a completely vulnerable Anakin in one hit. He later shows he recovered from it. It ko'd him and didn't seriously harm him either.
Yoda also can be ko'd with a force lightning blast and we have never seen it directly kill anyone on it's own. The force lightning can ko those who aren't ready for it. It happened to Yoda as well.
Exactly. Anakin gets hit and is out for a few minutes from Dooku's lightning, Yoda by Palpy's lightning is out for a few seconds. Luke can walk away from Palpy's lightning being used continuously. Luke does not have some massive durability over Anakin and Yoda, so there had to be something up with the one used on Luke. Torture.
Jedi's are more durable than wizards, taking attacks that are fatal to humans. The power that brings them to their knees is going to be impressive.
Originally posted by quanchi112It's covered in the novel and other EU sources. Which /are/ canon. Banning feats from outside the movies does not change events from outside the movies.
His face is horribly burned/disfigured. When do they cover this in the movies ?
No one else has ever been disfigured by force lightning, have they? This case is clearly different in some way, even just within the movies. The difference is that the face of Palpatine was not Sidious' true face.