Mangog Vs Onslaught

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't recall Thor saying Galactus is Odin's equal. And Thor hasn't fought Galactus plenty of times when he didn't claim what you said. I don't recall Thor fighting Beyonder plenty of times either. Where you get this from?

Thor mentioned that he thought Mangog was exaggerating back in the 80s. On the same page where he goes over the Beyonder and Galactus and Odin's power levels.

Where am I getting this from? Thor has been there with all of Marvel's finest when facing the beyonder and galactus, many times.

Originally posted by h1a8
A character's claim is meaningless if it contradicts on panel things. Thor's comments are backed up easily since Mangog didn't ko Thor in multiple hits and only hit Mjolnir back as strong as Thor's own right arm. If Mangog was so powerful then why in the hell he couldn't one shot kill or lowly ko Thor? Is Thor more durable than Onslaught?

Thor's comments happened long before Jurgens Mangog, who took Thor down twice. Thor was down. Mangog was ready to kill him. HE WAS DOWN.

And there's a god damn direct comparison here where Thor is able to physically destroy Onslaught and not Mangog. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ANTI-FORCE ATTACK. Thor says that Mangog has withstood Mjolnir's mightiest blows. Onslaught did not.

@curryman I don't have the onslaught book in front of me but IIRC Thor broke through Onslaught only because Onslaught allowed it to get rid of Xavier.

Then Onslaught unleashed his full power. So Thor doing that really didn't do anything as he recreated his shell easily and as that made the situation worse for Thor/company.

Now on the Mangog fight the anti force was the finisher.....but don't go pretending that Thor beating on Mangog didn't affect him.

Thor broke his horn....beat him down some more.......gave him a brief speech.....and then stuffed his hammer down his mouth. Mangog couldn't even fight back nor talk because he was helpless from the monumental beating that Thor gave him.

Then the Anti Force blast was the finishing blow. There's a big difference what Thor did to Mangog and what Thor did to Onslaught.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
@curryman I don't have the onslaught book in front of me but IIRC Thor broke through Onslaught only because Onslaught allowed it to get rid of Xavier.

Then Onslaught unleashed his full power. So Thor doing that really didn't do anything as he recreated his shell easily and as that made the situation worse for Thor/company.

Now on the Mangog fight the anti force was the finisher.....but don't go pretending that Thor beating on Mangog didn't affect him.

Thor broke his horn....beat him down some more.......gave him a brief speech.....and then stuffed his hammer down his mouth. Mangog couldn't even fight back nor talk because he was helpless from the monumental beating that Thor gave him.

Then the Anti Force blast was the finishing blow. There's a big difference what Thor did to Mangog and what Thor did to Onslaught.

That was the whole point though. Of course Thor can push him back and knock him donw. It just doesn't DO ANYTHING TO HIM. If it can destroy a planet or a mountain range of course his blow is gonna move the 800 pound monster. But it's not enough.

Onslaught wanted Thor to pull Xavier out, and he wanted the Hulk to beat him apart also. And they were more than capable of doing so. The intention may be part of the reason why they were able to land their hits, not why their hits were able to damage him.

If you people want to get into Mangog not being able to KILL Thor even though he brought him down several times, then how about looking into Onslaught being able to accomplish ****all.

Originally posted by curryman
That was the whole point though. Of course Thor can push him back and knock him donw. It just doesn't DO ANYTHING TO HIM. If it can destroy a planet or a mountain range of course his blow is gonna move the 800 pound monster. But it's not enough.

Onslaught wanted Thor to pull Xavier out, and he wanted the Hulk to beat him apart also. And they were more than capable of doing so. The intention may be part of the reason why they were able to land their hits, not why their hits were able to damage him.

If you people want to get into Mangog not being able to KILL Thor even though he brought him down several times, then how about looking into Onslaught being able to accomplish ****all.

Thor hurt him bad enough to break "easily" his horn and then pummel him and Mangog couldn't do squat guy. Even gave him a brief speech through the beat down. Had plenty of time to even stuff his hammer down his throat. And you want me to believe this didn't effect him? You are seriously reaching.

And yet after he unleashed his full power by Thor saving Xavier, Thor again attacked with all the powers of the rest of them(there group) IIRC and all they could do was merely "crack" the shell. In comparison to what Thor did the first time. So no it did in fact made the situation worse for Thor and company. Your forgot about that.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Thor hurt him bad enough to break "easily" his horn and then pummel him and Mangog couldn't do squat guy. Even gave him a brief speech through the beat down. Had plenty of time to even stuff his hammer down his throat. And you want me to believe this didn't effect him? You are seriously reaching.

And yet after he unleashed his full power by Thor saving Xavier, Thor again attacked with all the powers of the rest of them(there group) IIRC and all they could do was merely "crack" the shell. In comparison to what Thor did the first time. So no it did in fact made the situation worse for Thor and company. Your forgot about that.

It's not reaching, it's a difference of opinion.

Thor did break piece of Mangog's horn, and he maybe even chipper part of Mangog's tooth. After having hit him as hard as he could with Mjolnir, time and time again, and laying out some of the stronger energy-attacks he had, he finally managed to do a tiny bit of damage when he caught Mangog off-guard.

He caught him off guard because for the second time, Mangog had spared his life. Spared his life after beating him senseless.

Onslaught on the other hand, accomplished no such thing.

And if you can't understand that Jurgens Thor, performing at the top of his game, is a different breed than team-Thor standing side by side with Spidey and Iron man slinging rocks and repulsors blasts, then I don't think there's much point in continuing this.

Originally posted by curryman
It's not reaching, it's a difference of opinion.

Thor did break piece of Mangog's horn, and he maybe even chipper part of Mangog's tooth. After having hit him as hard as he could with Mjolnir, time and time again, and laying out some of the stronger energy-attacks he had, he finally managed to do a tiny bit of damage when he caught Mangog off-guard.

He caught him off guard because for the second time, Mangog had spared his life. Spared his life after beating him senseless.

Yes but it doesn't take away what Thor did to him. Mangog defeating Thor in the other times does not take away what Thor did to him. Lets face it SA Mangog was different in power level in comparison to Current Mangog.

Onslaught on the other hand, accomplished no such thing.

And if you can't understand that Jurgens Thor, performing at the top of his game, is a different breed than team-Thor standing side by side with Spidey and Iron man slinging rocks and repulsors blasts, then I don't think there's much point in continuing this.

Right because it wasn't Thor that could do it to begin with. Sorry guy they chose "Hulk". Sounds like all you have is excuses. No offense while I'm using what actually happened.

The fact that you stated Onslaught accomplished no such thing leads me to say you are ignoring what was shown and stated.