Originally posted by ODG
^ Other than just beat her senseless or even freeze her immobile in time? I wasn't even aware that Sersi created anti-matter on-panel. Another character to troll Thanos fans with.
Didn't that "time freeze" thing happen like once on panel and that's it? When he reappeared in later issues, time flowed just fine and they were fighting on Earth.
She could attempt mind raping him also. She's powerful enough to go toe to toe with Exodus in a TP war.
Even if you don't believe she's capable of creating anti-matter using her matter manip skills, she creates an adamantium boulder in his brain....and he's dead. Same result different method of getting there. Or creates an adamantium muzzle around his mouth, then goes to town on him. What could he possibly do then?
She has too many options at her disposal.
Originally posted by zopzopThe same way she's been hit before in virtually every appearance she's ever had. By reaching out and whacking her. People like Magneto, Iron Man and Sue Storm have forcefields too, doesn't make them unbeatable.
How would he touch her? Between her mobility and her forcefields, I don't see him landing a hit on her if she don't want him to.Didn't that "time freeze" thing happen like once on panel and that's it? When he reappeared in later issues, time flowed just fine and they were fighting on Earth.
Here's an ironic query: how many times has this anti-matter in the brain thing happened again? And how exactly does them fighting on Earth make a difference here?
Originally posted by zopzopWho has she mindraped? Because I always thought she was battling his psionics, not engaging him on the astral plane.
She could attempt mind raping him also. She's powerful enough to go toe to toe with Exodus in a TP war.Even if you don't believe she's capable of creating anti-matter using her matter manip skills, she creates an adamantium boulder in his brain....and he's dead. Same result different method of getting there. Or creates an adamantium muzzle around his mouth, then goes to town on him. What could he possibly do then?
She has too many options at her disposal.
So she never actually did it on-panel? Has she created an adamantium boulder inside a person's body before? If she creates an admantium muzzle, I suppose he'd have to resort to his final death strike or just... I dunno, crush her with his body.
As opposed to Midgard Serpent just crushing her, smothering her, biting her, entangling her, etc. I get what you're saying.
Originally posted by ODG
The same way she's been hit before in virtually every appearance she's ever had. By reaching out and whacking her. People like Magneto, Iron Man and Sue Storm have forcefields too, doesn't make them unbeatable.Here's an ironic query: how many times has this anti-matter in the brain thing happened again? And how exactly does them fighting on Earth make a difference here? The same way she's been hit before in virtually every appearance she's ever had. By reaching out and whacking her.
Who has she mindraped? Because I always thought she was battling his psionics, not engaging him on the astral plane.
So she never actually did it on-panel? Has she created an adamantium boulder inside a person's body before? If she creates an admantium muzzle, I suppose he'd have to resort to his final death strike or just... I dunno, crush her with his body.
As opposed to Midgard Serpent just crushing her, smothering her, biting her, entangling her, etc. I get what you're saying.
He can't fly can he? Even if he somehow manages to catch her and attempts to break through her shields, she can teleport.
How does he respond to an adamantium muzzle around his mouth?
Originally posted by zopzopHim being too large actually helps his ability to crush her. I don't understand your disbelief.
How? He's too large. How would he crush something human sized if she's not just standing there? How would he catch her?He can't fly can he? Even if he somehow manages to catch her and attempts to break through her shields, she can teleport.
How does he respond to an adamantium muzzle around his mouth?
Pretty sure he flew around in the Simonson fight. Either way, he was chasing around (and caught up to Thor) who was flying and zipping around as much as he's ever done. He's too big anyway to be grounded. I'm also curious, when has she teleported?
By smooshing her with his incredible girth and weight? Not sure how an adamantium muzzle changes that equation.
Originally posted by ODG
Him being too large actually helps his ability to crush her. I don't understand your disbelief.Pretty sure he flew around in the Simonson fight. Either way, he was chasing around (and caught up to Thor) who was flying and zipping around as much as he's ever done. He's too big anyway to be grounded. I'm also curious, when has she teleported?
By smooshing her with his incredible girth and weight? Not sure how an adamantium muzzle changes that equation.
Him being too large actually works against him, especially vs a tiny (compared to him) mobile opponent. It would be like a 20ft anaconda attempting to catch and crush a fly.
He caught up to Thor and did what? He attempted to swallow him no? When has the Serpent ever constricted anyone on panel? I'm genuinely curious. Because when he reappeared in the 90s, he did the same thing vs Thor, he attempted to swallow him.
Her teleporting on panel? I'll have to get back to you on that.
But on panel we have her : creating adamantium out of thin air, transmuting things into inert matter, creating lifelike illusions, creating forcefields, flying, and projecting energy blasts.
She could transmute his brain or eyes into inert matter, now he's either dead and/or blinded. She muzzle him by creating an adamatium muzzle around his mouth, now how is he gonna attempt to swallow her? She can fly circles around him, how is he going to grasp and crush her? She can create illusionary doubles of herself or anything else she wants to throw him off while she does any of the above, how would he counter that?
This assumes she has no telepathy skills to speak of (despite engaging in a prolonged psi-war with one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet), so she can't mindrape him and end the fight right there and then.
What do we have the Serpent doing on panel vs opponents?
Originally posted by zopzopHave you even read the Simonson fight they had where Thor was zipping around?
Him being too large actually works against him, especially vs a tiny (compared to him) mobile opponent. It would be like a 20ft anaconda attempting to catch and crush a fly.He caught up to Thor and did what? He attempted to swallow him no? When has the Serpent ever constricted anyone on panel? I'm genuinely curious. Because when he reappeared in the 90s, he did the same thing vs Thor, he attempted to swallow him.
Her teleporting on panel? I'll have to get back to you on that.
But on panel we have her : creating adamantium out of thin air, transmuting things into inert matter, creating lifelike illusions, creating forcefields, flying, and projecting energy blasts.
He slapped the sh1t out of him the first time sending him careening into the landscape. Another time, he swallowed him. The last time, Thor realized he had to go kamikaze and expend all his immortal energies and Jormungand responded with his final death strike and they killed each other.
You do that.
Good for her.
Originally posted by zopzopWhen has she transmuted somebody's brain again? Thor tried flying circles around Jormungand and couldn't avoid him. You make it sound like he's slithering around on the ground and can't deal with flying opponents. The only thing I can assume is you've never read any of his appearances.
She could transmute his brain or eyes into inert matter, now he's either dead and/or blinded. She muzzle him by creating an adamatium muzzle around his mouth, now how is he gonna attempt to swallow her? She can fly circles around him, how is he going to grasp and crush her? She can create illusionary doubles of herself or anything else she wants to throw him off while she does any of the above, how would he counter that?
Originally posted by zopzopOne of the most powerful telepaths that fought off the Avenger, was maintaining a gigantic city-crushing forcefield and amplifying an entire city's population with increased bloodlust. In retrospect, she didn't do so well when you consider everything else that Exodus was doing.
This assumes she has no telepathy skills to speak of (despite engaging in a prolonged psi-war with one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet), so she can't mindrape him and end the fight right there and then.
Originally posted by zopzopKilling Thor.
What do we have the Serpent doing on panel vs opponents?
Originally posted by ODG
Have you even read the Simonson fight they had where Thor was zipping around?He slapped the sh1t out of him the first time sending him careening into the landscape. Another time, he swallowed him. The last time, Thor realized he had to go kamikaze and expend all his immortal energies and Jormungand responded with his final death strike and they killed each other.
You do that.
Good for her. When has she transmuted somebody's brain again? Thor tried flying circles around Jormungand and couldn't avoid him. You make it sound like he's slithering around on the ground and can't deal with flying opponents. The only thing I can assume is you've never read any of his appearances. One of the most powerful telepaths that fought off the Avenger, was maintaining a gigantic city-crushing forcefield and amplifying an entire city's population with increased bloodlust. In retrospect, she didn't do so well when you consider everything else that Exodus was doing. Killing Thor.
Yeah, he slapped him out the air, but then what? He didn't constrict him did he? Has he constricted anyone he fought? Has he done anything on panel, attack/ability wise, aside from attempting to swallow an opponent?
In fact, what abilities has the Midgard Serpent displayed on panel?
Killing a cursed Thor. And he didn't even kill Thor did he? Thor kamikazeed himself into the Serpent.
^ What exactly are you talking about? I thought we were discussing Jormungand's supposed immobility and inability to hit flying opponents. The only person who's even mentioned constricting is you. You either can't focus, or you're just moving the goalposts to avoid doing so.
Stopping time globally, shape-shifting, producing searing venom/venom mists, charging a "death strike" bursting with energy, crushing the Earth, etc. And also, this is stuff that he's actually done on-panel.
Better than losing outright to a weakened Exodus. They killed each other. Arguing otherwise is like a Vegeta fan arguing Boo didn't murder the sh1t out of Vegeta.