Sersi vs Midgard Serpent

Originally posted by ODG
^ What exactly are you talking about? I thought we were discussing Jormungand's supposed immobility and inability to hit flying opponents. The only person who's even mentioned constricting is you. You either can't focus, or you're just moving the goalposts to avoid doing so.

Stopping time globally, shape-shifting, producing searing venom/venom mists, charging a "death strike" bursting with energy, crushing the Earth, etc. And also, this is stuff that he's actually done on-panel.

Better than losing outright to a weakened Exodus. They killed each other. Arguing otherwise is like a Vegeta fan arguing Boo didn't murder the sh1t out of Vegeta.

Of the abilities you listed, the only battle ones (that matter in a vs thread) are : the Time Stop (happened once on panel and was never displayed again) and the Venom Mist (means nothing since she can bubble herself). The Death Strike killed him too didn't it? Sersi can reform. She was blasted to atoms by Blaastar (whose blasts just happened to be on the same frequency or something that the Eternals atoms are on) and she reformed.

Originally posted by zopzop
I mentioned constricting because what else can he possibly do to her? If he swallows her, she'll just bust her way out. Either by blasting his teeth to bits or transmuting a hole into his teeth big enough for her to flight through.

Of the abilities you listed, the only battle ones (that matter in a vs thread) are : the Time Stop (happened once on panel and was never displayed again) and the Venom Mist (means nothing since she can bubble herself).

I think it is hilarious that you're trying to undermine Jormungand's on-panel feats by criticizing whether they've been performed in a battle or more than just once. I mean... coming from the guy who started talking about transmuting anti-matter and adamantium in brains and teleporting (you'll get back to us, rite?), that's pretty entertaining. So you spout of stuff she's never done before, let alone during a fight... and I list things hes done in an on-panel fight, and somehow... the shoe's on the other foot.

Originally posted by zopzop
The Death Strike killed him too didn't it? Sersi can reform. She was blasted to atoms by Blaastar (whose blasts just happened to be on the same frequency or something that the Eternals atoms are on) and she reformed.

yeah, a few things. sersi is NOT thor, nor is she capable of doing the kind of physical damage he can. the tp issue is unresolvable. tp has never been tried on the serpent so it's effects are unknown. given the supernatural nature of its powers though, i doubt it would affect him very much.

recall, in an effort to have thor avoid a confrontation with jormungand, odin gave norvell thor's power. odin could simply have used tp on the serpent i suppose, if it is as vulnerable to tp as you'd like us to think. it makes no sense, tbh. but, as i said, it is unresolvable and should be dropped as any comments would be purely speculatory.

as for the battle, the serpent can ALSO cast illusions and fire blasts from its eyes (thor 278--don't feel like posting the scans tbh). it is fast enough that thor needs to 'move like lightning' to get in his strikes safely, and it CAN in effect fly by simply raising its upper body. given its true etheral nature i doubt going intangible would be a sure defence. her transmuting powers are ltd in scope and given the serpent's shape-shifting powers, they are no sure guarantee anyway. a muzzle could be dealt with by shape-changing. its poison might not kill her, but it would weaken her to the point the serpent would finish her off.

i love sersi. she helped me win a tournament and i know her....really well. i can in no way see her winning this battle 1on1. her durability to physical damage is no where CLOSE to thor's. it would only take 1 or 2 shots for the serpent to ko her. she could perhaps go for a stalemate, but that would likely be the best she could do. at least imo.

Originally posted by ODG
Are you trying to argue that Jormungand can only swallow or constrict her? How about he just smacks the sh1t out of her or crushes her with his weight? You either attempted to impose a baffling false absolute here or you just aren't bothering to think things through. Now while I am skeptical that Sersi packs as much punch as Mjolnir, her transmuting his teeth is a hilarious possibility. Between transmuting anti-matter or an adamantium boulder in his brain and all these other fantastic tactics, you'd have to wonder why she didn't do any of this against Exodus.

She didn't pull any of those tricks vs Exodus because she had her hands full fighting a psi-war with him. That's like asking why didn't Odin just stop time while he was engaging Galactus in a psi-war and unleashing on him then.

I think it is hilarious that you're trying to undermine Jormungand's on-panel feats by criticizing whether they've been performed in a battle or more than just once. I mean... coming from the guy who started talking about transmuting anti-matter and adamantium in brains and teleporting (you'll get back to us, rite?), that's pretty entertaining. So you spout of stuff she's never done before, let alone during a fight... and I list things hes done in an on-panel fight, and somehow... the shoe's on the other foot. Thor's final attack killed him. But I will concede that Sersi can arguably reform herself after she's gotten the sh1t kicked out of her by the Midgard Serpent.

If transmuting things into anti-matter is suspect because on panel evidence isn't forth coming (despite the fact that she's a master at matter manipulation), throw it out. That's fine. But for SURE she could transmute chunks of the Serpent's brain into adamantium (I mean she conjured it out of thin air on panel) or transmute it to inert matter (she did it to herself and her teammates so they could survive a galaxy destroying attack).

The teleporting one I have yet to find on panel but it's mentioned as a power all Eternals have.

The Serpent stopped time ONCE and never again. He never stopped time before that encounter or since (he appeared again in the 90s and time flowed just fine as he was fighting Thor).

she's teleported a few times on panel, but it would only delay things here imo. the only thing that MIGHT work would be transmuting his brain, but again, given the nature of its power (it is loki's kid...) i don't see that killing the beast (any more than phasing thor into concrete killed him...) though it could cause it harm. it would take massive, accumulated damage to take out the serpent. i don't think sersi could survive long enough without getting hit to take it out.

Originally posted by zopzop
How would he crush her if he couldn't catch her? Swatting her out the air is one thing, keeping her grounded is another.

She didn't pull any of those tricks vs Exodus because she had her hands full fighting a psi-war with him. That's like asking why didn't Odin just stop time while he was engaging Galactus in a psi-war and unleashing on him then.

The truth is, Sersi hasn't pulled any of those tricks ever, period. In any event, Sersi won't have time for those tricks against Jormungand because she'd be too busy getting smooshed or time-frozen or eaten or blasted.

We get that this imaginary Sersi with made up feats would pose a real problem for the Midgard Serpent. But this imaginary Sersi is completely irrelevant to this thread.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, a few things. sersi is NOT thor, nor is she capable of doing the kind of physical damage he can. the tp issue is unresolvable. tp has never been tried on the serpent so it's effects are unknown. given the supernatural nature of its powers though, i doubt it would affect him very much.

recall, in an effort to have thor avoid a confrontation with jormungand, odin gave norvell thor's power. odin could simply have used tp on the serpent i suppose, if it is as vulnerable to tp as you'd like us to think. it makes no sense, tbh. but, as i said, it is unresolvable and should be dropped as any comments would be purely speculatory.

as for the battle, the serpent can ALSO cast illusions and fire blasts from its eyes (thor 278--don't feel like posting the scans tbh). it is fast enough that thor needs to 'move like lightning' to get in his strikes safely, and it CAN in effect fly by simply raising its upper body. given its true etheral nature i doubt going intangible would be a sure defence. her transmuting powers are ltd in scope and given the serpent's shape-shifting powers, they are no sure guarantee anyway. a muzzle could be dealt with by shape-changing. its poison might not kill her, but it would weaken her to the point the serpent would finish her off.

i love sersi. she helped me win a tournament and i know her....really well. i can in no way see her winning this battle 1on1. her durability to physical damage is no where CLOSE to thor's. it would only take 1 or 2 shots for the serpent to ko her. she could perhaps go for a stalemate, but that would likely be the best she could do. at least imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
she's teleported a few times on panel, but it would only delay things here imo. the only thing that MIGHT work would be transmuting his brain, but again, given the nature of its power (it is loki's kid...) i don't see that killing the beast (any more than phasing thor into concrete killed him...) though it could cause it harm. it would take massive, accumulated damage to take out the serpent. i don't think sersi could survive long enough without getting hit to take it out.

Originally posted by zopzop
Everything I mentioned previously : transmuting adamantium out of thin air, her illusions, her forcefields, her transmuting things into inert matter have all happened on panel. She's used her transmutation power so many times on panel, it's what she's KNOWN for.

If transmuting things into anti-matter is suspect because on panel evidence isn't forth coming (despite the fact that she's a master at matter manipulation), throw it out. That's fine. But for SURE she could transmute chunks of the Serpent's brain into adamantium (I mean she conjured it out of thin air on panel) or transmute it to inert matter (she did it to herself and her teammates so they could survive a galaxy destroying attack).

You act like you're permitting me to throw out your completely unsupported notion that she transmute anti-matter into his brain. You're not "giving me this one," you just haven't done sh1t to even merit a serious consideration of this non-feat that's never happened anywhere except in your imagination.

Originally posted by zopzop
The teleporting one I have yet to find on panel but it's mentioned as a power all Eternals have.

The Serpent stopped time ONCE and never again. He never stopped time before that encounter or since (he appeared again in the 90s and time flowed just fine as he was fighting Thor).

As opposed to you spamming this thread with feats that Sersi's never performed even once on-panel? For some reason, there's two inescapable facts you are missing here: I am talking about a Midgard Serpent that actually exists on-panel, and you are talking about a fake Sersi that's never shown up in comics. Focus. Or don't.

Originally posted by zopzop
Sersi wins.

Who beats Midgard Serpent next, Daredevil? 😄

Originally posted by ODG
But she's not known for transmuting anti-matter or adamantium boulder into brains. Ever. So stick with what she's done, not with your wild no limit fallacies.

You act like you're permitting me to throw out your completely unsupported notion that she transmute anti-matter into his brain. You're not "giving me this one," you just haven't done sh1t to even merit a serious consideration of this non-feat that's never happened anywhere except in your imagination. I'm sure other Eternals can, like Thanos who went through great efforts to do it without tech. I don't see it helping Sersi here outside of delaying the inevitable like leonidas said.

As opposed to you spamming this thread with feats that Sersi's never performed even once on-panel? For some reason, there's two inescapable facts you are missing here: I am talking about a Midgard Serpent that actually exists on-panel, and you are talking about a fake Sersi that's never shown up in comics. Focus. Or don't.

The fact remains that she CAN transmute parts of the Serpent's anatomy like his eyes or brain into inert matter or adamantium if she wanted to. She's transmuted living tissue into inorganic matter and vise versa ON PANEL multiple times. She transformed her and her teammates into inert matter and saved them from a galaxy busting attack. She's transformed people to stone, pigs, etc..

She's conjured adamantium out of thin air as recetly as Chaos War.

Her forcefields are no joke and their highest feat was protecting her and her teammates from a universe wiping attack.

The Serpent froze time ONCE in the late 80s, and never before or since. His venom would be meaningless to her since the vapor (because that's what it is) would never get through her forcefields. He can attempt to swallow her but she'd just get out. Good luck downing her long enough to crush her underneath his weight.

Between her forcefields, her illusions and her matter manip, she would outlast/evade him and take him down.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, a few things. sersi is NOT thor, nor is she capable of doing the kind of physical damage he can. the tp issue is unresolvable. tp has never been tried on the serpent so it's effects are unknown. given the supernatural nature of its powers though, i doubt it would affect him very much.

recall, in an effort to have thor avoid a confrontation with jormungand, odin gave norvell thor's power. odin could simply have used tp on the serpent i suppose, if it is as vulnerable to tp as you'd like us to think. it makes no sense, tbh. but, as i said, it is unresolvable and should be dropped as any comments would be purely speculatory.

as for the battle, the serpent can ALSO cast illusions and fire blasts from its eyes (thor 278--don't feel like posting the scans tbh). it is fast enough that thor needs to 'move like lightning' to get in his strikes safely, and it CAN in effect fly by simply raising its upper body. given its true etheral nature i doubt going intangible would be a sure defence. her transmuting powers are ltd in scope and given the serpent's shape-shifting powers, they are no sure guarantee anyway. a muzzle could be dealt with by shape-changing. its poison might not kill her, but it would weaken her to the point the serpent would finish her off.

i love sersi. she helped me win a tournament and i know her....really well. i can in no way see her winning this battle 1on1. her durability to physical damage is no where CLOSE to thor's. it would only take 1 or 2 shots for the serpent to ko her. she could perhaps go for a stalemate, but that would likely be the best she could do. at least imo.

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I 100% agree with you; stalemate is the best Sersi can do here...

If she actually attempts to fight and defeat the Serpent, she is doomed...

Originally posted by zopzop
You already starting up? Learn to calm down. You jumped into this and I wasn't even replying to you...............again.

Originally posted by zopzop
The fact remains that she CAN transmute parts of the Serpent's anatomy like his eyes or brain into inert matter or adamantium if she wanted to. She's transmuted living tissue into inorganic matter and vise versa ON PANEL multiple times. She transformed her and her teammates into inert matter and saved them from a galaxy busting attack. She's transformed people to stone, pigs, etc..

She's conjured adamantium out of thin air as recetly as Chaos War.

Her forcefields are no joke and their highest feat was protecting her and her teammates from a universe wiping attack.

But i like how you have to resort to universe-busting forcefields. I mean, granted, this entire discussion is turning out just that incredibly bad for you. So, really, you are just punctuating my points.

Originally posted by zopzop
The Serpent time ONCE in the late 80s, and never before or since. His venom would be meaningless to her since the vapor (because that's what it is) would never get through her forcefields. He can attempt to swallow her but she'd just get out. Good luck downing her long enough to crush her underneath his weight.

Between her forcefields, her illusions and her matter manip, she would outlast/evade him and take him down.

But once again, that's your problem, not ours. You use imaginary tactics not once seen or supported on-panel. Youre upset that we're using factual tactics actually seen on-panel. You b1tch that some of these feats weren't actually performed in-battle and that we have only seen them once? YOU ARENT EVEN USING BATTLE FEATS THAT HAVE BEEN PERFORMED ON-PANEL ONCE. Nobody asked you to make a good argument, just stop pretending that you are. Youve done little else but be a witless hypocrite here. This discussion is over. It frankly ended a dozen posts ago.

Originally posted by ODG
The only one who started up is you. Just because you put the innocent act while trolling doesnt mean you arent trolling. So far, you havent even bothered to post any battle feats by Sersi to support your fantastical tactics and have thrown little less than a retarded false absolute btw "he can only constrict or swallow her" and declaring that he cant flying opponents even though I told you like ten times to reread his Simonson fight with Thor. Youre still using non-battle feats (which you stupidly decided to declare as the only relevant ones to this thread) to support imaginary tactics that she's never performed on-panel. Its one thing to use foolish arbitrary illogic, its another thing entirely to be such an inept hypocrite with it.

But i like how you have to resort to universe-busting forcefields. I mean, granted, this entire discussion is turning out just that incredibly bad for you. So, really, you are just punctuating my points. I mean do you even spend any effort trying to think through your posts for consistency? Serpent froze time once in a fight... and how many times has Sersi erected universe-busting+ forcefields? I told you to focus, ffs. Youre just turning this discussion into a completely retarded sh1tfest because youre upset that we arent agreeing with your unsupported argument that Sersi makes antimatter inside hia brain.

But once again, that's your problem, not ours. You use imaginary tactics not once seen or supported on-panel. Youre upset that we're using factual tactics actually seen on-panel. You b1tch that some of these feats weren't actually performed in-battle and that we have only seen them once? YOU ARENT EVEN USING BATTLE FEATS THAT HAVE BEEN PERFORMED ON-PANEL ONCE. Nobody asked you to make a good argument, just stop pretending that you are. Youve done little else but be a witless hypocrite here. This discussion is over. It frankly ended a dozen posts ago.

Fact is SERSI CAN do what I listed because she's done it on panel before.

The forcefield high feat was just in response to the "Serpent stopping time" feat. If that's a valid tactic for the Serpent who only ever did it once, EVER, then Sersi's universe level shields feat should be too.

Sersi has on panel, multiple times, transmuted inorganic matter into organic matter and vise versa. She's transmuted organic matter into inert matter, she's transmuted adamantium out of thin air, she's transmuted people to stone, she's transmuted the Vision into multiple tiny Visions independent of each other, etc.. This is something she's KNOWN for. Unlike the Serpent and that "time stop" ability.

So transmuting organic matter like the Serpent's eyes or brain into inert matter or creating an adamantium muzzle out of thin air to bind his mouth isn't outside the realm of possibility since she's DONE this before.

Originally posted by zopzop
I DIDN'T RESPOND TO YOU. I just disagreed with Leonidas' post. Do you understand this? You jumped in and started this garbage all over again.

Originally posted by zopzop
Fact is SERSI CAN do what I listed because she's done it on panel before.

Originally posted by zopzop
The forcefield high feat was just in response to the "Serpent stopping time" feat. If that's a valid tactic for the Serpent who only ever did it once, EVER, then Sersi's universe level shields feat should be too.

The Midgard Serpent, on the other hand, is a mythological creature that constricted a planet and froze time globally and is a sibling to the Fenris Wolf (that actually devoured the world of Asgard in the latest Ragnarok) and Hela (who is a demon lord that commands her own Hel realm). The Midgard Serpent is just another character among a pantheon of other mythological Thor villains who bust galaxies to forge swords, are composed of billions and billions of beings, and raze entire planets.

Slight difference, slick. How a universe-busting+ forcefield (that took her time to erect) is supposed to even protect her from being frozen in time instantly renders your attempt to use this piece of PIS worthless in any event. So we can leave it at that.

Originally posted by zopzop
Sersi has on panel, multiple times, transmuted inorganic matter into organic matter and vise versa. She's transmuted organic matter into inert matter, she's transmuted adamantium out of thin air, she's transmuted people to stone, she's transmuted the Vision into multiple tiny Visions independent of each other, etc.. This is something she's KNOWN for. Unlike the Serpent and that "time stop" ability.

So transmuting organic matter like the Serpent's eyes or brain into inert matter or creating an adamantium muzzle out of thin air to bind his mouth isn't outside the realm of possibility since she's DONE this before.

You don't like that this is how the argument panned out. I get that. But you don't get to pretend that you ought to be immune to criticism that is pointed and sharp when you start with a flimsy argument... and then behave hypocritically with worse arguments and fallacies... just to salvage the original flimsy argument.

Oh sweet, someone's making a case for Sersi!

*reads a little*

No, no they aren't.

It's true Sersi is not Thor. I'd reckon she's a LOT more durable than he is these days. She's one shot KO'ed Hercules, who is physically AT LEAST Thor's equal. She has telepathy. She can reform from atoms. She can make shields that can block universe busters. She has transmuted Thor's hammer. She transmuted Thor's flesh to give him gills. It's pretty clear she can transmute the Serpent. She can encase it in adamantium. lol at her being a low herald, and Thor being considered a high herald. Thor has clearly fallen out of the high herald class. How many times does he need to be one shot, or beaten to unconsciousness by his own hammer before we accept he's not what he used to be?

Originally posted by keiththegreat
It's true Sersi is not Thor. I'd reckon she's a LOT more durable than he is these days. She's one shot KO'ed Hercules, who is physically AT LEAST Thor's equal. She has telepathy. She can reform from atoms. She can make shields that can block universe busters. She has transmuted Thor's hammer. She transmuted Thor's flesh to give him gills. It's pretty clear she can transmute the Serpent. She can encase it in adamantium. lol at her being a low herald, and Thor being considered a high herald. Thor has clearly fallen out of the high herald class. How many times does he need to be one shot, or beaten to unconsciousness by his own hammer before we accept he's not what he used to be?

Originally posted by keiththegreat
It's true Sersi is not Thor.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
She can make shields that can block universe busters.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
She has transmuted Thor's hammer.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
She transmuted Thor's flesh to give him gills.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Oh man Zop. You are on a mission again.

Who beats Midgard Serpent next, Daredevil? 😄

Originally posted by keiththegreat
It's true Sersi is not Thor. I'd reckon she's a LOT more durable than he is these days. She's one shot KO'ed Hercules, who is physically AT LEAST Thor's equal. She has telepathy. She can reform from atoms. She can make shields that can block universe busters. She has transmuted Thor's hammer. She transmuted Thor's flesh to give him gills. It's pretty clear she can transmute the Serpent. She can encase it in adamantium. lol at her being a low herald, and Thor being considered a high herald. Thor has clearly fallen out of the high herald class. How many times does he need to be one shot, or beaten to unconsciousness by his own hammer before we accept he's not what he used to be?

so....much.....wrong......lol