Master of Magnetism vs Superman
Originally posted by golem370
Can Magneto manipulate the solar energy the Superman absorbs? This is Magneto in his prime the fight starts with Mags shields up.
I'm not sure if Magneto can manipulate the solar energy Superman absorbs enough to make much of a difference in this fight, but he doesn't need to. Against any post-Crisis version of Superman save the "Electric Blue" version (and I suppose Red assuming Red had the same power), Magneto wins. The Blue version was a (Marvel Comics) Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau) analog, however, and thus theoretically capable of getting past Magneto's shields to strike him down more or less at will.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Assuming this is DCNU, Magneto is capable of putting him down.That said, Superman is still very fast, very strong, and just as capable of beating Magneto.
With shields UP at the start of the fight, as the original poster suggests?
You need to back this up, P.R.
Magneto lightly endured the combined strikes of She Hulk AND Thor when he fought the Avengers.
What exactly do you think Superman is going to be able to do to him?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Heat vision, maybe? The very next panel after yours shows Monica bypassing his shields with energy.But then, debatable if HV can get through. I'd assume so, because light can obviously get through (otherwise, how would he see?)
Cyclops optic beams.
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And Magneto saw himself out from under a lake of lava in one of his early campaigns against the X-Men (don't remember how they escaped, though 🙁 ).
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Heat vision's not gonna do anything to him.
I already conceded that Electric Blue Superman had the tools for the job, though. THAT's your analog to Monica, not regular Superman.
Monica could literally turn herself into visible white light.
I'm assuming Electric Blue could do the same, which is why I give him the win if he's used here.
Originally posted by -Pr-Magneto doesn't always operate at Avengers busting levels.
His shield can only take so much punishment.
Original Poster (OP) specified the following, though:
This is Magneto in his prime the fight starts with Mags shields up.
Presumably, OP is referring to the 1990s, when Magneto was even more powerful than the version I showed a moment ago.
Genuinely curious: Where have you seen the shields of "prime" (1990s) Magneto fail?
But you're acknowledging that light and heat gets through, right?
Low level HV (OK, Krypto helped too...) from the Earth, to the Moon. And it still dazzles the hell out of the Monitor station.
I won't say it won't do anything to him. Especially as I don't recall Magneto, on average, doing all that.
By all means, though, you can show his high feats. Then Superman will get his high feats trotted out. Then you will argue that average Superman is nothing like how you term 'forum Superman' to operate, whilst having Magneto at Avengers' busting levels as the norm.
AS seen here:
Ultimately, I guess it depends if you want to have peak level Magneto vs what you would see as average Superman.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85you will argue that average Superman is nothing like how you term 'forum Superman' to operate, whilst having Magneto at Avengers' busting levels as the norm.
Ultimately, I guess it depends if you want to have peak level Magneto vs what you would see as average Superman.
Dude. Re-read the original post of this thread.
He specified Magneto at his prime, not during the 1960s when even Magneto's might magnified by machine might fail against Sub-Mariner. You really think the Magneto you're showing me is what the original poster intended?
Use whatever you want.
I need to be shown 1990s Magneto's shields failing against the physical force of an opponent before it will have any meaning to me.
As for bouncing heat vision off the moon and blinding Flash and company, that has little meaning to me either. I don't know where your selection is from, the military does crap like all the time in our real world, and, for much of the history that I know of, the JLA station was ON the moon.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Original Poster (OP) specified the following, though:the fight starts with Mags shields up.
This is Magneto [b]in his primePresumably, OP is referring to the 1990s, when Magneto was even more powerful than the version I showed a moment ago.
Genuinely curious: Where have you seen the shields of "prime" (1990s) Magneto fail? [/B]
There are a bunch of different eras you could use, unless the OP is willing to specify.
The 90s isn't necessarily his prime.
And no, we're not applying a no-limits fallacy to Magneto, especially given Superman's ability to get through energy fields in various ways.
And Cyclops is still a horrible comparison.