Originally posted by 753
you mean because dazzler was later seen posing as chuck? as I understand the scene, the switch took place after he bent the photons around his shield and struck her. jean simply hid her presence to convince him she was dead after his attack (no anti-tp helmet in this arc), so I take the feat as legit.
No. That was an illusion created by xavier who was freed by Dazzler and Dazzler was posing as xavier on the cross.
sorry, I only found him flinging omerta into orbit http://jonhex.livejournal.com/pics/catalog/464/56338No problem bro.
so he wasnt weakened when he was on his knees on the bridge?Momentarily weakened maybe. Powerless? Of course not.
Partially tongue-in-cheek, Pr.
You wrote this as if Superman's power source is something other than yellow sunlight, which, in some incarnations, IS debate-able.
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I'm still left quite puzzled by your Dr. Polaris. Is it a man? A woman?
A robot? Why does there seem to be a disembodied head the heroes refer to when going up against the Doc in one of those scans?
It's decidedly DC though; the only comics Polaris I was aware of in any sense before this thread was Lorna Dane of the X-Men. Relatively few people know of her; a fact not helped by her being under-utilized for the sake of larger drama in story-lines, a case-in-point illustrated strikingly by at least one Marvel writer:
So, if the question is, "Could Magneto manipulate the solar energy as Superman is absorbing it, or manipulate it to weaken him?", I think the answer is yes, pointing to the Proteus feat; obviously Magneto has control of energy beyond "magnetism" or even the EM spectrum. I think it is even reasonable to think he could exploit the red sunlight weakness, if he were aware of it.
The issue is, could he do this in a fight against Superman, especially on a forum? I'd say no. The Proteus feat took time, and Superman is going to be far too aggressive and too fast to give that to him. Superman just overwhelms him 10/10 times, even if in some academic sense we can say it is possible Magneto could manipulate his energy source.
Originally posted by Oliver NorthThe issue is, could he do this in a fight against Superman, especially on a forum? I'd say no. The Proteus feat took time, and Superman is going to be far too aggressive and too fast to give that to him. Superman just overwhelms him 10/10 times, even if in some academic sense we can say it is possible Magneto could manipulate his energy source.
You're preceding off a few wrong assumptions though, North.
For starters, the idea that Magneto is unable to fight and perform other actions simultaneously. To multi-task, if you will.
I should have responded to that claim earlier in the thread, and will do so now, by showing the following scene from Uncanny X-Men #150 ...
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You're preceding off a few wrong assumptions though, North.For starters, the idea that Magneto is unable to fight and perform other actions simultaneously. To multi-task, if you will.
I should have responded to that claim earlier in the thread, and will do so now, by showing the following scene from Uncanny X-Men #150 ...
I've made no such claim.
I said Magneto wont be able to do a high end energy manipulation against Superman while also defending against his offensive might.
Originally posted by Oliver North
So, if the question is, "Could Magneto manipulate the solar energy as Superman is absorbing it, or manipulate it to weaken him?", I think the answer is yes, pointing to the Proteus feat; obviously Magneto has control of energy beyond "magnetism" or even the EM spectrum. I think it is even reasonable to think he could exploit the red sunlight weakness, if he were aware of it.The issue is, could he do this in a fight against Superman, especially on a forum? I'd say no. The Proteus feat took time, and Superman is going to be far too aggressive and too fast to give that to him. Superman just overwhelms him 10/10 times, even if in some academic sense we can say it is possible Magneto could manipulate his energy source.
so if he manipulates his power source and makes him weak how doesnt mags just roll over him? he has the feats and has extremely powerful shields as well im sure supes would eventually break thru but 10/10 for supes? no chance he can take away his power source and u also r forgetting ANYTHING metal he can use as a weapon so hes going to be constantly trying to avoid shit being tossed at him and striking him mags can take a few wins here 10/10 is insane
Here, we note Magneto in an intense mental battle against Charles Xavier.
Despite the fact that Magneto is not noted for telepathy or any special stated prowess in that area, he holds his own.
The important thing to note, however, is that WHILE going against an acknowledged MASTER of mental duels, and giving such an account of himself that we are told it takes "all the strength and skill at [Xavier's] command",
Magneto is STILL able to perform a second, and nuanced, and decisive action, gently loosening the screws on Xavier's chair and then suddenly yanking Xavier in, chair and all.
The action brings Xavier within range of a power-dampener, which gives Magneto the victory over Charles, note that Magneto then performs ANOTHER maneuver which simultaneously incapacitates the crew that brought Xavier near the island.
Originally posted by golem370He also has the ability to increase his power by feeding on earth's magnetic energy.
Actually, he has the ability to do even better than THAT, as evidenced in his unlikely Avengers versus X-Men showdown against Iron Man in the most recent Phoenix storyline:
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Originally posted by abhilegendchuck was the one to mindrape him when he atemtoped to rip the metal from logan's bones, but the point remains: when did the swithc take place? because magnus was inhibting chuck's powers via hemoglobine manipulation, chuck would have to be freed first to pull the mindrape off. in that case dazzler's presence would have to be cooncealed by jean. moreover, the attack was witnessed by all and dazzler only disappears after magneto seemingly desintegrates her, this would be the perfect momento to conceal her for the switch. as such, I think she did attack him and he did deflect the blast by photon manipulation.
[B]No. That was an illusion created by xavier who was freed by Dazzler and Dazzler was posing as xavier on the cross.